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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

Initially, it will just be for you. You and your colleagues will be able to look at it, but the public will not.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

That is correct. Not everybody could use such a system.

I asked about the Trieste model partly because it sounds like a good one. However, my reasons also go back to the convener’s question about the system being fragmented. I am not sure whether you agreed that the system is fragmented, Caroline, because you said two different things. However, if we accept that we have a fragmented system and that people fall through the cracks, we can see that that leads to the amount of mental health work that the police have to pick up. That is another matter that the committee has been exploring.

You will know, because you have heard it from the police, that the vast majority of their time is taken up dealing with people who have mental health issues. A lot of that time is taken up sitting in hospitals when they could be out on the beat dealing with crime. That is not a good situation. We heard from NHS Lothian that things are a little bit better in its area. That health board has a system in place that helps to prevent police from sitting in hospitals, but that is just NHS Lothian. In other parts of the country, including my area—I represent Central Scotland, which includes Lanarkshire—that system is not in place. In Lanarkshire, we have had situations in which entire shifts of police were sat in accident and emergency. That is ludicrous, is it not? If we had somewhere that police could take some people with mental health issues—not everybody—that would free them up. That has to be better, has it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

Okay. It might be similar.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

That is not what I asked. Are they committed to the 10 per cent figure?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

—which we have not asked about today. Are all the boards committed to it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

You believe that they are?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

What timescale are you working to?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

It is really important that it is available to the public so that we have total transparency.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

When I looked at the dashboard, the other thing that I came across was that, down in England, they have what are described as mental health hubs. They seem to exist across England and they are aimed at staff. Have you come across them?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

Maybe you can go away and have a look at that. They seem to be dotted around England.

You will have been following the evidence, and you have read the report. In pretty much every evidence session, we have asked about the model that exists in Trieste in Italy. Dr Cook knew that I was going to ask about that. It can be described briefly as a “one-stop shop”, if you like. It is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and people do not need an appointment—they can just call in. Pretty much every witness that we have had has said that that is a good model. Do you agree?