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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

If Mr Doris is prepared to clear up the point, I will give way again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am always happy to have conversations with Ms Lennon—she knows that. I was going to say that if we are to take the pragmatic approach suggested by Ms Boyack—I am a pragmatist—the committee would go for one year rather than six months. If I had a preference, it would be for a year, but others might have a different view.

Maurice Golden invites us to agree that the circular economy strategy should be co-designed with the public sector, private sector and third sector bodies. I was a little surprised that Mr Golden used that awful phrase “co-design”, which is so favoured by those who want to sound well-meaning but do not really mean it. He is not in that camp at all, being a circular economy titan. Phraseology aside, he is right to say that the production of any such strategy should not be left to ministers and civil servants alone.

I turn to my good friend Bob Doris, whose amendment 187, which was absolutely fascinating, also suggests people who should be consulted. I am not really sure what the amendment means by “relevant policy makers” or “human right defenders”, which could mean almost anyone, but its call for

“environmental experts from the Global South”

to be included has me most foxed. Mr Doris has not really cleared that up, because he does not—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Will the member take an intervention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

As Sarah Boyack just said, I have a couple of amendments in the group to section 3 of the bill, which is “Publication and laying of strategy”. The bill says that

“Ministers must ... publish the circular economy strategy ... and ... lay a copy of”

it “before the ... Parliament” within “2 years” of section 3 coming into force. In my view, that displays a lack of ambition and a pace of working that really should have no place in Government. It is real life-in-the-slow-lane stuff and it is not good enough. I am sure that the minister who is now in charge of the bill would agree with me on that—I hope so.

Amendments 2 and 3 are alternatives to each other. They would reduce that rather ponderous timescale to either one year or six months and I invite committee members to take their pick. Committee members could, if they wish, revert to the old Lorna Slater timetable, or they could choose to turbo-boost the bill under the dynamism of Gillian Martin; I hope that she proves me right on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Clare Adamson made that point powerfully, and it is why she should move her amendment 211—or, if she does not, why somebody else should move it. We must do better on e-bike batteries and the second-hand market. It is not just about fire safety. That is important, but there is also the question of how we reuse products. I cannot say strongly enough that Clare Adamson really should move her amendment. I know that she is probably not going to, but somebody else should, because it is so important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Will the member take an intervention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

The problem is that I am not clear what the policy intent is behind Bob Doris’s amendment. I really am not. I am pretty sure that other committee members who have been listening as closely as I have will also be unclear about that. However, we can be clear that, were we to agree to the amendment—I am pleased to hear that Mr Doris is minded not to move it, but we will discover that later—we could end up in a situation in which ministers have a huge list of people and a long list of countries across the globe with which they are expected to consult. I just think that that would be completely impractical. I am pretty sure that the minister would say that as well. Hopefully, Mr Doris will not move amendment 187.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Just for clarity, I point out that Maurice Golden’s amendment 151 would not require ministers to set up a new body; the actual wording is that they must “designate” a body as an advisory body. I have heard what the minister has had to say, but is she against the principle of having such an advisory body?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am curious to know what you mean by “regions”. Do you mean regions in Scottish parliamentary terms or are you referring to the old-style regions that we used to have in Scotland? I am just not clear. When we have something in law, we need to be clear about what we mean.

My second question is on the same theme. What do you mean by “communities”? That could mean different things to different people.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Will the member take an intervention?