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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

There are a couple of other areas that I want to ask about quickly. You have already mentioned minimum unit pricing. In your letter to the Auditor General, you repeatedly called the policy “world-leading”, saying that it

“has saved hundreds of lives”.

What is the evidence for that?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

But how were you able to link the two? How was that possible?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

How far do you think it should go? Should we just keep increasing the price of drink in Scotland, year on year?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Yes, a very brief question, convener.

Caroline, in your letter, you list a number of stakeholders that you are liaising with, such as the Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems, Alcohol Focus Scotland and the Scottish Alcohol Counselling Consortium. It struck me that nobody on that list is actually involved in the drinks sector—the Scottish Beer and Pubs Association would be just one example. Do you also take advice from people who are involved in serving the public?

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

To ask the Scottish Government what it is doing to address wait times in temporary accommodation. (S6O-04147)

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

I am sure that the minister will agree that some of the waiting times in temporary accommodation have been absolutely appalling. There was one case in South Lanarkshire in which a child spent 420 days in temporary accommodation, and an adult who endured a 760-day stay. That is unacceptable. Given that the First Minister said earlier, “We are not building enough houses”, does the minister agree that we need a better approach and that it should be targeted at those areas that are most in need?

Meeting of the Parliament

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Graham Simpson

The minister has been very clear on that. He gave a statement last week and set out his timetable, and I am sure that he will repeat that when he makes his contribution in this debate. I am not speaking for the minister—he can do that himself—but his intention is that the provisions will be in place for MPs and peers by the time of the 2026 election. I hope that that reassures my friend Mr Kerr.

The furore over said MP’s ambitions forced him to back down, and if all that has helped Audrey Nicoll, who is a lovely lady, I am delighted about that. I will not name the MP—he would probably like me to—but we all know who it is. My amendments are not about him or anyone else, but he has helped to shine a light on double jobbing, so he has done us a favour in a way, although it might not have felt that way to some.

I want to give some context to the debate on this group of amendments, so let me turn to what has gone before. I have said that Scotland is an outlier in not banning dual mandates. Let us first have a look at Northern Ireland. Dual mandates in the House of Commons and the Northern Ireland Assembly are prohibited by the Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2014—a United Kingdom Parliament act—which provides that an MP who is elected as an MLA has eight days to resign from the House of Commons and that an MLA who is elected as an MP must resign immediately from the Northern Ireland Assembly. The act also explicitly prevents members of the legislative Assembly from becoming members of Parliament in Dublin.

The Local Government Act (Northern Ireland) 2014 prohibits councillors from being members of the Assembly, the House of Commons or the House of Lords or from being elected to any other legislature.

The banning of dual mandates in Northern Ireland followed increasing criticism of the practice in the aftermath of the 2009 MPs’ expenses scandal. That year, Sir Christopher Kelly published a report on MPs’ expenses and allowances, which recommended that the practice of holding dual mandates in the House of Commons and the devolved Parliaments should be brought to an end as soon as possible.

The Kelly report found that so-called double jobbing was most prevalent in Northern Ireland, where, in 2009, 16 out of the 18 Westminster MPs also sat in Stormont, and five of them were ministers. The report found that double jobbing was “unusually ingrained” there.

Meeting of the Parliament

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Mr Johnson makes a reasonable point. Perhaps that was an oversight on my part, but, for me, the main issue is people who want to sit in this Parliament while being an MP or in the House of Lords. The question of councillors is another matter, which I will come on to.

The Kelly report said:

“the Committee questions whether it is possible to sit in two ... legislatures simultaneously and do justice to both roles”.

David Cameron pledged to end dual mandates for Northern Ireland in the 2010 Conservative Party manifesto. That was framed as part of a broader objective to make devolution work and

“bring Northern Ireland back into the mainstream of UK politics.”

In Wales, dual mandates were banned under the Wales Act 2014, which ruled that any MP who is elected to the Senedd has eight days to resign from the House of Commons and that an AM who is elected as an MP must resign immediately from the Assembly. The Secretary of State for Wales justified the changes as a response to the increased workload of AMs following the devolution of powers in 2011. In a debate about Welsh Assembly elections in the House of Lords in June 2012, Baroness Morgan of Ely argued:

“it is difficult to serve two political institutions at the same time.”—[Official Report, House of Lords, 18 June 2012; Vol 737, c 131.]

I agree.

The Senedd and Elections (Wales) Act 2020 disqualified members of the House of Lords, Scottish Parliament, Northern Ireland Assembly or local authorities in Wales from being members of the Senedd, which is possibly the point that Mr Johnson was making.

Wales and Northern Ireland have legislation to prohibit double jobbing, but we do not have it here. Somehow, Scotland has escaped. It does not make sense.

Meeting of the Parliament

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Graham Simpson

I will press my amendment, and I wind up simply by thanking everyone who has taken part in what has been a very good debate. That includes my good friend Keith Brown, who made a very interesting point. I respectfully disagree with it, but it is right that he made it. That kind of issue can be looked at when we do the consultation.

I urge the minister to be as collegiate as he has been so far when he looks at the regulations. I am sure that that will be the case, and with that, I will sit down.

Amendment 34 agreed to.

Amendments 35 and 36 moved—[Graham Simpson]—and agreed to.

After section 2B

Amendments 3 and 37 not moved.

Section 3—Scottish disqualification orders

Amendment 5 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

After section 11

Amendment 6 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

After section 13

Meeting of the Parliament

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Graham Simpson

I encourage Mr Brown to read the amendments. They leave the details to regulations, and the minister will consult on those. It is not my intention to prevent anyone from standing for this place—I would never do that. If somebody wants to stand, let them stand and let them be elected. The details would be left to the regulations, which is clear in the amendments, as Mr Brown would see if he read them—I am sure that he has them in front of him while I am speaking.