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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Well, that is fine—you could suspend somebody from the Scottish National Party, but they could remain as an MSP. As a whip, you cannot remove somebody as an MSP.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

That is the key issue, really, and it is something that I really wrestled with when I was thinking about the bill. For a while, I did not have a solution and I just thought that I was going to have to give up on recall; then it hit me that I was thinking about it in the wrong way. If we are going to have a power of recall—and all parties in the Parliament seem to agree that we should have something—we must address the fact that we have this odd electoral system, which I have said in this committee that I do not like, but which we are stuck with, so I must work with it.

For constituency members, it is relatively straightforward—we can almost mirror the system in Westminster and improve on it, as I said last week. We could ultimately have the best recall system in the United Kingdom at the end of this. However, we also must balance that with the fact that we have regional members.

With a constituency member who is subject to recall, there are two stages. First, the voters are asked whether the member should be recalled, and, secondly, there is a by-election if a threshold is met. What struck me about that approach was that the member, should they wish to proceed—some will not—would be able to put their case to the electors and say why they should stay on. When looking at the regional situation, I wondered whether it would be fair to replicate that process as closely as possible. Although I accept that there will be an enormous cost if that ever comes about, it seemed to me that it would be fair—and, ultimately, fair to the member—to have that two-stage process. I think that most of us in this room are regional members. If it were any of us, I think that we would want the ability to put our case to the electorate if we wished to fight the recall, because otherwise—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Funnily enough, I was asked that by the Senedd committee. I know that this is controversial, but I do not think that it is a crime to switch parties. I am not in favour of having a recall in that situation. However, I do address the situation in which, if somebody has switched party, is subject to a recall vote and loses, they are replaced by the next party on the list that they were elected on.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

The next individual on the list. This would never happen, Ms Webber, but if it were you—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Absolutely not. I am just using him as an example of someone who has switched parties in the current parliamentary session.

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I see what you mean. I will go back to what I said earlier. If a member is subject to recall, it is likely to mean a good deal of publicity. They will have done something pretty bad. Any regional member who might not be widely known will suddenly become widely known—that can pretty much be guaranteed.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I do not think that it works that way.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Oh, no—definitely not.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes, but you have asked me about constituency members, and what you have tried to do in your question is conflate the regional element with what happens for constituencies. If a constituency member decides to stand down, there is a by-election. If a regional member decides to stand down, there is no by-election; they are simply replaced. If we were to conflate the two, we might have to revisit the Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) (Scotland) Act 2025, and I am not sure that Jamie Hepburn would be too happy about that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I genuinely do not understand the point that you are making.