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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Fair Work Convention

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Willie Coffey

What about the wider position on a public-facing accreditation framework?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Fair Work Convention

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Willie Coffey

Good morning. I would like to ask a few questions about the attitudes of employers and staff to the issues that we are discussing.

Firstly, are you getting a sense, or did the researchers get a sense, that Scottish employers are engaging with the principle of fair work much more these days? Is the engagement accelerating? Is there quite broad participation? Did the researchers ask that?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Fair Work Convention

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Willie Coffey

Is it the case that they have to follow these principles, or do they want to follow them? What is your sense of employers’ participation in fair work? Do they feel as though they are being dragged into it, or are they willingly engaging with it? Do we know?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Fair Work Convention

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Willie Coffey

Are the staff saying what they are seeing or are the employers saying it about themselves?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Fair Work Convention

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Willie Coffey

You captured the fact that stress-related absence, which is a statutory indicator that has to be reported, has more than doubled. At least you have got that.

I have a final question around widening this out. Might employers be interested in establishing some kind of fair work accreditation scheme, either by self-assessment or otherwise, so that they could show their staff and people who may wish to work for them that they are a fair work employer? Is it worth reaching out to that wider sector of employers that we were talking about a wee minute ago?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Fair Work Convention

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Willie Coffey

The principles talk about things such as dignified treatment and wellbeing. If the framework uses those terms, it seems to me that you should try to assess those and ask staff what they think about them, to gather that data. Otherwise, what is the point of having them in the key principles in the first place?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Willie Coffey

As I was saying, the checks and balances issue that you have all mentioned is probably the key to protecting against those outcomes. We will all agree that the principle of devolving as much power as we can is sound, but that the checks and balances—such as we have in Scotland, with the Accounts Commission and internal audit—seem, for some reason that we do not know, to have deserted our colleagues in places such as Woking in quite a stark manner. Is that a positive note on which to finish our conversation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Willie Coffey

Are you saying that Scottish councils should have the powers that Woking Borough Council had?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Willie Coffey

I suppose that the checks and balances are probably the key to it—

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Willie Coffey

I want to turn back briefly to the issue of financial sustainability to try to compare and contrast what happened in England with what could—if it were possible—happen in Scotland. We have already referred to some of the reckless behaviours down south that led to the situation there, but do you think that that recklessness came about as a result of the general power of competence being granted to England’s local authorities? I know that we do not have that power in Scotland—I am going to ask you in a minute whether you think that we should—but do you think that the situation came about as a result of councils investing in the private sector and so on and running up huge debts? We heard some spectacular examples last week of how badly it all went, but what caused it? Was it the devolution of the general power of competence?