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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
Thank you, convener, and good morning, colleagues.
This meeting is not particularly pleasant. I have been a member of the Parliament—and of the Public Audit Committee, on and off—for 17 years now, and I have to be honest with you and say that this is one of the worst sessions that I have ever participated in.
I have a few questions that I would like to ask Mr Rathjen. On whether the expense was retrospectively approved, you said that, ultimately, it did not make a difference, because it had already been incurred. Why would you do that? Why would you not state your case and say that it was unapproved? You cannot approve something that is clearly not approvable, if you understand my meaning. Why did you not do that? Ultimately, the public would like to know what the difference is between approving something and not approving it. If there is no difference in outcome, what is the point?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
I will come to the audit in a minute, but what would have happened in Government if you had not approved it? Surely there would be a difference between approving it and not approving it.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
Turning to the issue of audit, I note that the issue was picked up by an auditor, but I am not sure whether that was an internal or external audit. Can somebody clarify whether an external or internal auditor picked up this issue?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
Why was it not picked up by the internal audit team? Is there an internal audit team?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
Did declaring it as an options appraisal somehow give some comfort with regard to making that decision and not seeking approval? It is clearly not a tender process—an options appraisal is not a tender process. Who introduced the notion that it was an options appraisal process and therefore did not need Scottish Government approval?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
I really appreciate all of that, but are you saying that what happened cannot happen again? There should be no need for a quiet word from the Auditor General before the sponsor team becomes aware that something has happened. There must be some sort of earlier, better and quicker engagement to stop such a problem arising. Internal audit did not fail: instead, it was ignored, because of the circumstances that your colleagues have described. You were not aware of that until the tail end, and that must change. The sponsorship relationship should be closer and more engaged in whatever way is necessary.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
You cover delayed discharge in the report and you talk about the NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde model, which is called GLASFlow. Can you give the committee a wee glimpse of what that means and whether it is having an impact by reducing our problem of delayed discharge?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
Related to that issue, the chief executive of NHS Ayrshire and Arran said that one of the issues that affects discharge, interestingly enough, is power of attorney and families being able to grant and get that power. She said that that affects more than half of their discharge cases. Is that common throughout Scotland, and should we highlight that much more in order to encourage the public to embrace use of power of attorney?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
On staffing and demand versus the ability to staff to meet demand, you mentioned clear difficulties. What more can we and the Government do to try to close that gap? We know that demand is increasing year on year, but we have difficulty in getting the right numbers of staff in health and social care to meet that demand. What are your recommendations for the Government on how it could help?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 21 March 2024
Willie Coffey
Do you find that patients are receptive to using digital technology if they think that it might let them be seen or heard a little quicker? Are they quite open to that, or would they still prefer a direct face-to-face model?