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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
I will bring in Maggie Chapman, after which I will bring in Pam Duncan-Glancy, who has some supplementary questions on this general area.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
We can come back to Pam Gosal now.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
Welcome back. We move to our second panel of witnesses. I am pleased to welcome Shona Robison MSP, the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government. I also welcome two Scottish Government officials: Trevor Owen, the head of the mainstreaming and strategy unit, and Emma Harvey, the head of the finance and business support unit, who are both from the directorate of equality, inclusion and human rights.
Cabinet secretary, do you want to make a brief opening statement?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
That was not, in fact, my question. My question was whether the fact that the Government has made a commitment in such clear terms, in the agreement between the Scottish Government and the Scottish Green Party and in the cabinet secretary’s letter, changes things. It was about whether, in light of that knowledge of the Government’s proposal, folk should be able to say whether Rhoda Grant’s bill should go ahead.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
Do you not think that the fact that the consultation was carried out at the height of the pandemic would have made it difficult for some of those organisations to respond, because they were working in a different way?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
I will follow on from the points that you have made. We received a letter from the cabinet secretary making it clear that, in her view, the right to food is central to the wider human rights work. I note that a number of respondents to Elaine Smith’s consultation made the point that, rather than the issue being taken forward in isolation, it should be part of a wider human rights approach and wider legislation.
We now have a manifesto commitment, which is in the agreement between the Scottish Government and the Scottish Green Party and is re-emphasised in the letter that we received from the cabinet secretary. Does that not make a significant difference to what was consulted on more than a year ago, when none of that was in place? We now have certainty that the Government will take the matter forward.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
We move to Pam Gosal. Can you hear us, Pam?
We will go back to Pam after we have heard from Karen Adam.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
Thanks very much for that, Nina. I thought that you would want to come in, particularly when you heard the answers, but Pam Duncan-Glancy was trying to appease me.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
One would hope that the Parliament could work together on the matter. My point was not really the one that Rhoda Grant picked up on. It was more about the relevance of the consultation that took place and whether anything has changed—my point was that what has changed is that commitments have been made. However, Rhoda Grant might have said as much as she wants to in that area.
As nobody wants to contribute further, I thank Rhoda Grant for her evidence. I hope that we were not too challenging in our questioning. I know that being on the other side of the table is a hugely different experience.
We are required to make a decision on whether we are satisfied by the statement of reasons. I remind members that our decision should be based on whether we agree that the member’s statement of reasons means that no further consultation on the proposal is necessary. We are not deliberating on whether we agree or disagree with the principle of the bill. That would be for a later stage, depending on the outcome today.
Given that Fulton MacGregor will be joining us remotely, I propose to call each member in turn and ask them to indicate whether they are satisfied. For clarity, if members are satisfied, I ask them to vote yes; if they are not satisfied, I ask them to vote no; or they can abstain. I will go around the room, starting with the deputy convener.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 October 2021
Joe FitzPatrick
The question was really wide ranging; I thank the witnesses for their responses. However, we will need to be a bit sharper on both sides—although I take part of the blame for asking such a wide question in the first place.
I call Pam Gosal.