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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Jeremy Balfour joins us online.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Item 4 is consideration of another SSI. The instrument is subject to the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve it before it comes into force.

I welcome back to the meeting the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice and welcome the following Scottish Government officials: Thomas Nicol, who is a lawyer; and Simon Coote, who is head of the cross-cutting policy unit. Thank you for joining us.

Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited under an upcoming agenda item to consider a motion to approve the instrument. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this item, but not in the debate that will follow.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

That being the case, I can now thank the cabinet secretary for battling through the evidence sessions, and I thank her officials in both sessions, too.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses as we move to item 6.

09:33 Meeting suspended.  

09:47 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2025 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. We have received apologies from our convener Collette Stevenson and from Michael Marra, and I welcome to the meeting David Torrance, who is substituting for Collette Stevenson. Thank you for coming along, David. I also note that Jeremy Balfour and Carol Mochan are online to contribute to today’s meeting.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take items 7 and 8 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

The Scottish Government has ultimately mirrored the UK policy—albeit perhaps reluctantly—in moving from universal provision to means testing. I acknowledge that there are no up-front barriers to people receiving the income, which is important. What are the advantages of devolving winter fuel payments—noting that we are mirroring what is happening elsewhere in the UK?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

I am just making sure that we tick all the boxes.

Motion agreed to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for coming this morning. We will have a brief suspension to allow for a change of officials.

09:18 Meeting suspended.  

09:19 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

As there are no other questions, we move to item 5, which is formal consideration of motion S6M-18126, on approval of the regulations. I invite the cabinet secretary to speak to the motion, if she wishes, and to move it.

Motion moved,

That the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommends that the Social Security (Cross-border Provision, Case Transfer and Miscellaneous Amendments) (Scotland) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Shirley-Anne Somerville]

Motion agreed to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you for battling through that, cabinet secretary; it is appreciated. We move to questions from members.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Who is that question for, Jeremy?