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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Those comments are very helpful, and they will certainly be helpful when we talk about the powers of the commissioner and their role later.

Before we move on to our next line of questioning, Professor Jones, do you have any reflections on Professor Reid’s comments, or do you have any views on the matter yourself?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

We will find out once we go into private session.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

My final questions are more general. You helpfully mentioned that there is an appreciation of the fact that cars are an absolute lifeline and necessity for many reasons in remote and rural areas, even when those areas have enhanced public transport. Should we expect constraints on the growth in car usage to be more predominant in urban areas? Will you give some examples of the current actions that the Scottish Government is taking—notwithstanding the new plan that will be published shortly—to reduce car usage or to encourage a switch to public transport?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

Yes, convener. However, I hope that you do not mind me saying at the start that the best way that MSPs can support bus services is to use them. As a non-driver, I frequently use buses with my family in Glasgow. The best way that we can support buses is to drive patronage up and not down.

I will turn to SPT and its proposals. My understanding is that its new strategy was published in September, and it included progressing with franchising, for which it intends to have costings in December this year. It looks as though its plans are on track. However, I have also seen it reported from some SPT projections that the annual running costs of franchising—not the set-up costs—could be up to £85 million or as low as £45 million per year, so there is a massive range in costings and in the expectations of what franchising might look like in practice. One commercial operator speculated that it could be hundreds of millions of pounds per year.

We can make the process as robust and detailed as we like and we can protect it against legal challenges as much as we like, but if the money is not there to deliver it, it ain’t going to happen. Getting the money is a collective endeavour. The SPT has progressed with its proposals, but there are lots of other partners, one of which is the Scottish Government. So, my question is this: has there been any discussion with the cabinet secretary about how any of that might be funded?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

That is perfectly reasonable. I just wanted to put on the record that we could get the process perfect, but if there is no money to fund it, it ain’t going happen anyway.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

I get the complexities. Local authorities might look at franchising in a very different way to one another. SPT is trying to shepherd its proposals in a strategic and robust way with a clear business plan. Has there been any discussion at all between the Government and COSLA, local authorities or SPT about potential future costings and what the financing might look like?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

I thought that I would ask about the Scottish Government’s current position on car usage. I am conscious that, in 2020, there was an ambition to reduce the number of car kilometres travelled by 20 per cent, and this year there has been a renewed policy statement in partnership with COSLA that is still about tackling car usage but it has no specific target. That might be a reflection of the Climate Change Committee advice that we got this year that modelled a required reduction in car usage for carbon budgets of 6 per cent by 2035, which is very different from the 2020 target. It would be helpful for the committee to understand what the Scottish Government’s ambition is for the reduction in car usage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

Although we will get more information on a sectoral basis across the portfolio when the climate change plan is published, I am conscious that the 6 per cent reduction predicated by the UK Climate Change Committee—if I have got this right—means a 6 per cent reduction in anticipated growth in car usage rather than a reduction in kilometres. At this stage, can you say whether the Scottish Government’s position is that it wishes to see fewer kilometres travelled by car or to constrain the growth in kilometres travelled by car? I am conscious that you also mentioned that it is about reducing emissions as much as it is about reducing kilometres.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

Okay, so we will have to wait and see the climate change plan to know whether the Scottish Government’s position is for fewer kilometres.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful, thank you.