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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Bob Doris
Thank you for your evidence so far, which has been really helpful.
At the start of your contribution, you mentioned that we are going through a period of change. At some point, you will demit office, and we wish you well for the future when you are no longer in office. It is a day for changes.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Bob Doris
Commissioner, before you move on to the rest of the potential scope of consultation or, indeed, legislation, I will ask about the section 60 code of practice, although I have to admit that I am no expert on it. Maybe I will read it out, because it is in front of me, but I now know that it exists. Is there a need for greater clarity?
Referring to the “Hancock clause” was a glib comment. I have no desire in the slightest to defend Matt Hancock, but I will make a serious point. I can imagine people who are in positions of power wanting to communicate quickly and freely with a range of officials and stakeholders in very short and condensed formats, just for speed. They need to be really careful about what they put on those platforms, because not everything is captured in a text or an abridged WhatsApp message. It is not just about having shining, absolute transparency about what people in power are really thinking; it is also about making sure that people who are in power are very clear about expectations. With that caveat, do we need clarity? Does that code, which I now know exists, need to be clarified or updated?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Bob Doris
That is helpful. I apologise for cutting you off in full flow. You were going to talk about the rest of the scope of the consultation.
10:45Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
Just to push you on that, are you both saying that a referral can still happen but that a person has to have had direct interaction with the court system before they are sent back to the reporter? Otherwise, I am reading something very different on the Scottish Government’s website.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
Okay. Do the other witnesses want to reflect on that aspect? As Claire Dobson mentioned earlier, we need to ensure that the bill’s provisions do not have wider resource implications. Has Police Scotland done work on additional officer time? You have given us a per case example, but have you done any modelling work on that, which you could share with us either today or at a later date?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
Can I check whether the Lord Advocate’s guidance will be updated?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
I have just a couple of questions to finish what has been quite a lengthy evidence session. Our briefing papers suggest that the bill’s provisions might have an impact on Police Scotland’s reporting jointly to the procurator fiscal and the principal reporter offences committed by children. I am keen to understand how that process operates currently and how it might have to be adapted in the light of the changes to the definition of “child” that the bill proposes.
Perhaps Claire Dobson is best placed to answer that question in relation to Police Scotland’s reporting requirements.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
No, not on that.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
I am not sure whether Mr Hogg wants to come in, but that point leads nicely into my final question, so I will ask it now, and Mr Hogg can reflect on both issues.
When the committee initially spoke about this in private, one of the things that we grappled with was that 16 and 17-year-olds who are not currently on supervision orders can theoretically still be referred to the children’s reporter. Although there is no presumption that they will be referred, in theory, they can be. Can witnesses confirm whether that is the case?
I checked again on the Scottish Government’s website before asking that question, and it says that they can still be referred to the children’s reporter. That might happen only in specific circumstances, but they can still be referred. They do not have the protection of not being kept in a cell or being unable to waive the legal right to a lawyer, and safeguarding protections might not exist, but my understanding is that they can still be referred to the children’s reporter. Does that happen or am I wrong?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Bob Doris
I knew what IRD stood for, but my colleagues possibly did not, so thank you for explaining that, Claire.
I have one final question but, first, would Mr Hogg or Mr Donnelly like to add anything on that point?