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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 December 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Frances?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you very much, Sarah. There was one more question that members had hoped to ask, which we kind of referred to when we were asking about value for money. I should ask it as it has been set out, and our witnesses can either respond to it or not.

Looking at the cost of establishing the commissioner’s office in the financial memorandum, I note that its running costs—not the cost of establishing it—are estimated at £1.26 million each year, and that the Welsh commissioner’s budget in the most recent financial year was £1.8 million. I just wanted to put that on the record and ask the witnesses whether they have any reflections on those costs. You do not have to have any, but that was the only question that we have not asked today.

This is slightly unusual, Sarah, but I am not asking you to answer that question—I just wanted to know whether you wanted to roll another question into that one. If so, you can do so, because I am conscious of the tradition of allowing the member in charge of the bill to ask their questions after all the other questions have been exhausted. It was just an error on our part that we had not asked that question.

I will leave my question sitting there. Is there any related question that you wanted to ask, Sarah?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Our next item of business is our second evidence session on the Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.

I welcome to the meeting Adam Milne, senior policy advocate, Carnegie UK; Frances Guy, chief executive officer, Scotland’s International Development Alliance; Kristers Lukins, member of the Scottish Youth Parliament for Dundee City West; Skye Allan, member of the Scottish Youth Parliament for Dumfriesshire; and Lloyd Austin, convener of the governance group at Scottish Environment LINK.

I also welcome to the meeting our two British Sign Language interpreters, Tessa and Mags. I thank them for joining us. That allows me to say to Kristers in BSL good morning, and welcome to the Scottish Parliament. I apologise for my poor signing. One point that I will take from this meeting is that I could perhaps learn a bit more about how to sign, which would be a good skill to have.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you. Would Kristers Lukins or Skye Allan like to add to the conversation about whether the bill could achieve policy coherence?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

I will pass on to Sarah Boyack in a moment. First, there is a question that we probably should have asked when Mr Milne was speaking earlier. I should give you this opportunity, Adam. You mentioned that Carnegie UK had outlined six possible operating models to deliver the ambitions around wellbeing and sustainable development, and the commissioner’s establishment and office was one of those models in the pursuit of those aims—so there would be five others. I am, of course, happy for you to refer us to written evidence, but do you wish to say anything for the Official Report in relation to those other potential models?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, Adam. I just wanted to give you the opportunity to put some of that on the record.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. Skye, you do not have to add anything, but do you wish to?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Your question was not quite the same as the one that I was going to ask, Mr Balfour, although it was similar.

You will all be aware of this, but the Children and Young People’s Commissioner was wary of establishing a new commissioner, due to potential overlap with that commissioner’s work and remit. I have lost my place in the briefing, but I think that the Scottish Environment Protection Agency mentioned other organisations such as Environmental Standards Scotland that could play a role without a commissioner having to be established. Given the possibility of overlap and other organisations being able to do this work, would spending money on a new commissioner be money well spent, or could it be better spent in other ways?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Lloyd Austin, do you have a view on this?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

In that case, I come to Skye Allan and then Kristers Lukins. This is your opportunity to put on record anything that our lines of questioning have not given you the opportunity to put on record this morning in relation to your work with MSYPs and other young people.

I will take you first, Skye.