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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 21 September 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Can you give me a range? For example, are there 20,000 posts out there now across the range of public services that, once we end the reform process, might not exist or might exist in a different form, with people being redeployed and roles being restructured or merged or whatever? Financial assumptions are being made, so there must be modelling to show what that means for head count. I hate the expression “head count”, because that is about people’s jobs, of course. Is 20,000 a reasonable estimate?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Can the headline numbers in that work be shared with the committee?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Is the consultation exercise similar when a draft bill is published?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

That is why we are asking our questions and hoping to get more information.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Cabinet secretary, I want to check something with you before we move on. The Deputy First Minister is leading on the budget. When it is published, will it include a breakdown of preventative spend? Will it be clear what constitutes existing preventative spend? For example, you could argue that funding for family nurse partnerships, free school meals and free prescriptions is all preventative spend—and those are just some of the things that Government is already funding.

When you look at recurring budget lines, you can see that they represent preventative spend. However, that does not take us any further, because the money is already in the system; it is not new. When the budget is published, will it be clear where the new money for preventative spend is flowing through the system?

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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

You can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that you are saying that the target is based on non-front-line staff who are involved in non-front-line services, and what you think is the art of the possible in general terms, rather than any specific sector. Is that the case?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

I think that that would be helpful.

Percentage terms are important, but these are real jobs that exist currently. What are the whole-time equivalent numbers or workforce numbers in raw terms for posts that will ultimately go or be reformed or restructured?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

I am going to come back in again—

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Has modelling work been done in relation to those reductions in the NHS?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

I anticipated that that would be the response. Driving as fast as possible and realising the benefits as speedily as possible is absolutely your role here, cabinet secretary. I thought that that was an important question to ask for context.