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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Absolutely. For as long as I have been in the Parliament—I have been here since 2007—there has always been a bit of a stooshie about what should and should not be on the list in legislation, which is why we need to drill down on the issue a bit more.

Section 1 talks about having “due regard”, rather than “regard”, for sustainable development and wellbeing. Professor Reid, is that appropriate terminology?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

That was helpful.

Moving to the work of the commissioner themselves, do our witnesses have any thoughts on the requirement for the commissioner to produce guidance and to keep the guidance under review? Professor Jones, can I bring you in first?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. I will go to Professor Reid, but I will sneak in the next question at the same time, because of time constraints. Do you have any reflections on what you have heard?

Also, the commissioner would be required to keep under review the law, policy and practice relating to wellbeing and sustainable development. That seems a significant function. What are the challenges and opportunities around that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Sarah, my apologies, but this will have to be your last question. After this, we will have to move on.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

I have to say that that is one of the issues with time constraints—there would be value in talking about that, but we need to move on.

The definitions of sustainable development and wellbeing will be considered later, but, for this overarching duty, the definition of a public body is set out in section 17. Is it appropriate to understand that simply as a Scottish public authority? Is that appropriately clear? Is there any dubiety about that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

We might return to that. I should give the context that “due regard” relates to

“the need to promote wellbeing and sustainable development.”

That is not a duty to deliver wellbeing and sustainable development. Is promotion the right bar to set, as opposed to delivery, Professor Reid?

10:30  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

As there are no more questions, we will move to agenda item 3, which is formal consideration of motion S6M-18774. I invite the cabinet secretary to move the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommends that the Carer’s Assistance (Miscellaneous and Consequential Amendments, Revocation, Transitional and Saving Provisions) (Scotland) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Shirley-Anne Somerville]

Motion agreed to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Cabinet secretary, recommendation 3 in the SCOSS report is in relation to older carers. As you know, many older carers cannot get carer support because they receive the state pension. The Scottish Government announced in 2022 that it would consider a recognition payment for older carers as a longer-term change. Has any preparatory work been done on that? Is the Scottish Government working to any timescales to develop policy on that issue?

10:00  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you. We now move to questions from members. We will, of course, direct those towards you, cabinet secretary, but it is fine if your officials also wish to come in.