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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful. Whenever I hear the word “deer”, I look at the convener to see whether he has been triggered in any way. I see that that has not happened.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. Thank you. I see nodding heads in response to that comment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

No pressure then, convener.

The Scottish Government is clearly not required to follow all the advice of the Climate Change Committee, which is relaxed about that as long as there is a balanced pathway to net zero. One area in which there is variation is the policy on livestock numbers, because there is no policy to reduce livestock numbers in agriculture in Scotland. Livestock numbers are falling anyway—there is a longer-term pattern in relation to that. To what extent does the Scottish Government still rely on livestock numbers falling as part of its move to net zero?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

Okay.

I can infer from your previous comments what the answer is likely to be to this final question. The indicative statement differed from the advice of the Climate Change Committee on peatland restoration. Can you elaborate on that? Should we expect to see far greater savings, or lesser ones, from peatland restoration, and what are those assumptions based on?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. Andrew Russell, your comment about the survival rates of new saplings was helpful, because my next question is around that. When the Scottish Government, or any Government, looks at abatement measures or sequestration measures, should modelling work on the abatement or sequestration that we capture say that, for every 100 saplings that are planted, there is an attrition rate of 5 per cent—given that there will be slippage because of the climate challenges that we face?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

I have mentioned peatland and forestry. Are there any other carbon-abatement measures that could be impacted by climate change that we should be aware of?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

This is my final question. Gabi Hegerl might be best placed to answer this one, given her initial answer. Is there a balance to be had between some of those measures and maintaining biodiversity? Gabi, you spoke about reforesting not having to be just about conifers but that there can be a mix of trees and that there can be multiple uses for spaces. My papers say that there might be concerns in relation to whether there is a trade-off between biodiversity and some of the opportunities for carbon abatement. Are there such concerns? Do you have any comments on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

This is my final, final question, convener. More generally, are there any risks to our ambitions for biodiversity from our pursuit of meeting carbon budgets that any of the witnesses would like to put on the record, just so that we can be clear about that?

I do not see anyone wanting to answer that, but it was suggested that that is something that we would want to clarify. If that is not the case, that is good.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is really helpful, and it leads on to my next couple of questions. The Climate Change Committee said, “Okay, the Scottish Government doesn’t want to see that trajectory in relation to livestock numbers, but there are other options out there that could be exercised to have a balanced pathway.” The CCC did not recommend any individual approach; instead, it has suggested a kind of pick-and-mix approach. For example, car kilometre reductions were modelled at 6 per cent, but the CCC advised that that could go up to 8 per cent, and it also mentioned scrappage schemes for cars and heating. There is a variety of other options that have not been triggered yet.

How would the Scottish Government seek to make up some of that? If we do not take action in one area—for very good reasons that you have set out on the record—what actions can be taken in another area to balance things out?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

That was helpful. My final question is about—