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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 7 November 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Bob Doris

Mr Fagan, you absolutely should ask that question—provocations are best at the start of a committee meeting, because that allows members to then explore those provocations, rather than having such questions at the end, but you are quite within your rights to ask it.

I ask for very brief answers—an answer, singular, or answers, plural. An answer, singular, is more than welcome.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Bob Doris

I am sorry if you think that it is unfair, Mr Fagan, but three members want to ask specific questions about a range of workforce issues.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

We will have a brief supplementary question from Joe Fagan, as other colleagues want to come in.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

I am stretching my memory on the success of the previous fund, but it is worth checking whether we can learn the lessons of the past.

Can you say anything about the scope of the bill that the committee will have to scrutinise and the consultation process on it?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Committees tend to scrutinise and count what we can see. It is hard to scrutinise what we cannot see—

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

I would imagine that that would have to be a focused bill. I do not know whether moving from 14 to two health boards would require statutory underpinning. To illustrate the point, though, let us pretend that it would. There could be an amendment lodged in the Parliament saying that there should be five health boards, which, if agreed to, would result in the proposal becoming messy, unstrategic, unfocused and unworkable. I picked that as an example to ask what the scope would be for the Parliament to shape any legislation as it is presented to the Parliament.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Would this committee be able to see that modelling work?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

I think that I will leave it at that, cabinet secretary. I will bring in Joe Fagan.

Public Service Reform Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2026 of the Public Service Reform Committee.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 10 September 2026

Bob Doris

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I also thank you for the detailed 45-page public service reform strategy update document that we received in the past few days. It is safe to say that it read like a corporate governance framework to monitor reform in the workstreams, rather than a document that this committee, public services themselves or the wider public would use to find out what any of it means in practice. I hope that you will take on board that important point. It is not the job of this committee to scrutinise the details of that document—doing so would involve us in doublespeak for the next five years. What we want to look at is public service reform on the ground and what that means in practice.

In that light, I note that a 0.5 per cent workforce reduction is estimated each year from this year for the next three years. How do we arrive at 0.5 per cent?