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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

From respondents who have sent us information, we have heard a range of views on whether there should be guidelines on when framework legislation can be introduced. What are your thoughts on the establishment of set criteria to govern when framework bills can be introduced?

Certainly, the submission from the NFU Scotland highlighted three points, which I will read out. It says:

“1) There is a need to deliver flexibility and adaptivity to mitigate possible future challenges.

2) Extensive work is undertaken with relevant stakeholders before and during the parliamentary process.

3) A clear indication of the overall required outcomes is set out by the Scottish Government.”

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Will you be keeping the situation under a watchful eye?

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

First of all, thank you for the kind words and welcome.

I have two things that would be useful to put on the record. First, I chair Moving On Inverclyde, which is a recovery service that is in receipt of public money. Secondly, as I have indicated in the past in the chamber, my wife works part time for CalMac Ferries—I declare that for when CalMac and ferry issues arise in the committee.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you.

Regarding the 2007 contract and the legal advice that the board received—as with the convener’s question, you may not be able to answer this—did you find any information or explanation why the contract was not signed but was allowed to sit there until the end point was reached and the chief executive left?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is helpful—thank you.

The report states:

“It is critical that all parties, Board members, senior management, staff and the sponsor team, work together to move the Commission into a stronger place in delivering its regulatory role while ensuring Best Value in the use of its resources.”

With those comments in mind, to what extent have the issues that you have reported on at WICS—and the efforts that have been required to address those issues—impacted on its ability to perform its regulatory role?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

It is fair to say that, given that the situation was unclear, the onus was on the board to clarify the position before moving forward with the contract.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will move on to questions about the leadership and culture of the organisation. The report was interesting reading, to say the least—it took me back to reports that I was involved in when I was a member of this committee in the past, such as those on NHS Western Isles and Coatbridge College. Are you content that WICS is taking sufficient action to address the issues relating to staff wellbeing?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is helpful—thank you. I move on to WICS’s international work. On the face of it, WICS has managed to bring a substantial amount of additional revenue into Scotland, but there is a bit of ambiguity regarding the accounting and the actual sums of money.

On WICS’s international work starting again, your report is clear. It says:

“It is critical that appropriate governance arrangements and financial policies are in place to provide clarity on what is permissible activity and expenditure as part of this work.”

I am aware that the final decision on international work will be taken in spring this year. What needs to happen to ensure that any international work that WICS undertakes is in line with the expectations for public sector bodies?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you very much, convener. I have a couple of quick questions on the previous section before I move on.

On the quick settlement and the very short timeframe, how common are such things? In your experience, over the many years that you have been in Audit Scotland, how often have you seen them?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Have you had any direct dialogue with the Scottish Government on the recommendations that you have put forward?