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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 5, we are considering two instruments, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2025 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. I remind everyone to switch off their mobile phones and other electronic devices or set them to silent.

The first item of business is a declaration of interests. In accordance with section 3 of the code of conduct, I invite Katy Clark MSP to declare any interests that are relevant to the committee’s remit.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I am conscious of the time. On the definition point, the evidence that the committee has heard has been unanimous about how difficult it would be to obtain one. It was considered that it is a spectrum, as opposed to something that is fixed.

As I touched on in my opening comments to Finlay Carson, there are two definitions in the submission that came in from the committee alone, which is one of the challenges when attempting to arrive at any definition of one sort or another.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you for that. Finlay Carson wants to come back in.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments not subject to Parliamentary Procedure

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

In relation to SSI 2024/382, does the committee wish to welcome that the Scottish Government has undertaken to reflect on whether the statutory pay conditions should be narrated in the preamble of the order in the event that future orders are required under that enabling power?

Members indicated agreement.

10:46 Meeting continued in private until 11:21.  

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Okay. Thank you. I bring in Roz McCall.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Yes.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a couple of very brief questions on some issues that came up earlier, to get a bit of clarity. In your main report, which was published in October, at paragraph 25 on page 15, you touch on

“the loss on BAE contracts”.

Bearing in mind the earlier questions from Jamie Greene regarding the future and the business plan for the yard, I would assume that there would be further contracts included in that. Can you tell the committee what the financial loss was on the BAE contracts in the past?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

It is about contractors—not so much the individuals concerned, but the subcontractor organisations. Did the chief financial officer’s review that we have just discussed include the subcontracts for the various suppliers that came in to do work?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Okay. I am sure that I will have the opportunity to take that point further in the future. Thank you for answering my questions on those areas.

I have some questions about public sector pay policy and exit packages. Colin Beattie asked about the previous chief executive’s exit package. As the section 22 report touches on, there were a couple of pay-offs that did not go through the correct procedures.

The report says that, although

“FMPG is not required to comply with public sector pay and conditions”,

there is an expectation that it

“will align with the principles of public sector pay policy.”

Can you provide further detail on what the implications are if FMPG does not ensure that it is complying with the framework agreement and the relevant sections of the SPFM?