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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 8 November 2026
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Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Thank you. We will come to questions about the taxonomy, but, with regard to the climate narrative, given what you have said this morning and the fact that your policy area is so vast, is there not a need to simplify things to get more buy-in from the wider public? Some of the language might seem too convoluted. In the world that we live in, there is a wall of noise—of information, misinformation and disinformation—but simplifying some of the messages might help to get the positive narrative across, as opposed to the opposite.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

You will be aware that, yesterday, the committee published our call for views in relation to our inquiry into data centres. We are all looking forward to getting stuck into that work when we come back after the recess.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Thank you.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Rural Affairs. Today’s session follows our stakeholder evidence sessions on 24 September and 1 October, and it completes the evidence-gathering part of our pre-budget scrutiny, which has been focused on the joint budget review.

I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Rural Affairs, Gillian Martin, who is supported by Phil Raines, deputy director, domestic climate change; Helen Carter, portfolio finance lead; and Sean Neill, director, energy and climate change.

Before we proceed to questions, I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

In last week’s evidence session, Lewis Barlow of WSP used the phrase,

“whenever you can estimate cost, you can estimate carbon.”—[Official Report, Climate Action Committee, 1 October 2026; c 5.]

I see Mr Raines is smiling. Is that a fair assessment?

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Before I bring in Sanne Dijkstra-Downie, I will follow on from David Barratt’s question and the example that he gave. In that same document, three locations were suggested for health centre replacements—there is the project that David referenced and another one is in Port Glasgow. I am thinking back to when projects were undertaken to replace the health centres in Greenock and Clydebank through various Scottish Government funding streams. If those were to have been, in effect, one project with two different facilities in two different locations—if they were to have been bundled together—would that have been of assistance when it came to considering the net zero assessment and the taxonomy?

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

I have a quick supplementary question on the narrative. I assume that people who are immersed in the field will get it quickly, but we need to take the public with us on this journey, so we need to make the language as simple as possible for the wider public, because we know that we have no choice and we need to do more. We heard in our meeting last week that some of the language that is used might not be accessible and might help to switch people off at an early stage. Is that a fair assessment? Is it essential to simplify some of the language in order to take more of the public with us on the journey?

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Sorry, but I am going to bring in Claire Baker for a quick supplementary.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Claire Baker has some more questions.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Stuart McMillan

Mr Barlow, do you want to add anything? The questions were addressed to Mr Lockhart, but I would like to hear your experience as well.