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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 2, we are considering one instrument, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Welcome to the ninth meeting in 2025 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. I remind everyone to switch off or put to silent mobile phones and other electronic devices.

The first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Is the committee content to take item 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Does the committee wish to note that the issues raised by the committee with the Scottish Government on 9 December 2024 on the previous draft of the instrument, which was withdrawn, have been addressed to the extent necessary in the relaid draft instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument not subject to Parliamentary Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I am certainly not advocating an Elon Musk-style approach, with chainsaws and the like. I am making the point that the figure of 5.8 seems quite a low number.

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is helpful.

In paragraph 59, the report states:

“The change in emphasis across these approaches makes it difficult to determine the baseline for reform”.

There is a lack of clarity with regard to what the baseline is. In managing any reform, it is necessary to understand what changes have been made against the baseline. What is the baseline? Are you looking at a particular year as the baseline?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I genuinely recognise that your position is top level and that you deal with overarching strategic activities. I also genuinely do not know the answer to this question. In the civil service, is there an in-built process that allows the people who are doing the day-to-day jobs across the whole public sector to input suggestions, which can then be discussed?

Going back to Jamie Greene’s comments about areas in which there has been public investment, quite frankly, I think that there are examples where, if folk on the ground had been listened to, some of the problems and additional cost would not have happened.

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraphs 75 and 77 touch on what we just spoke about. Paragraph 75 says:

“the Scottish Government has not allocated or identified funding to support portfolios or public bodies to cover the costs of delivering reform.”

Paragraph 77 says:

“the Scottish Government has said that it does not want to implement a top-down approach to reforming public services but instead wants to agree a vision of reform across the public sector.”

Those two sentences stick out—first, because of what the Government wants to do and, secondly, because the finance is not there, notwithstanding the £30 million that was touched on.