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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I am sure that anyone who is watching this meeting who has looked at the report will find exhibit 7 quite startling, to say the least, on the cost of PFI contracts. Between 1998-99 and 2023-24, £4.8 billion has been paid out, and a further £5.8 billion will be paid out between 2024-25 and 2045-46. That is a huge amount of money going from the public purse into company profits.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will move on from CAPA to accident and emergency waiting times, which remain considerably below target. That is a huge challenge. A few years ago, I did a 12-hour shift with the Scottish Ambulance Service on a Monday morning. Before I went, I genuinely did not realise how busy the Monday would be or the logjam that would happen with ambulances at the Inverclyde royal hospital. I also did not fully realise that I would probably know somebody who would make a call and be picked up, and that proved to be the case.

What additional work has been considered on that issue? The First Minister spoke about it on Monday, but there is a real challenge in improving the patient journey when people get to A and E.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

There was reference earlier to the national conversation and the discussions that take place with different specialties. I assume that they have input into the centre and that concerns, issues and suggestions from folk who are on the ground, attempting to deliver the outcomes, are being listened to.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will go back to the point on sunsetting. There are occasions when Governments remove legislation that has been on the statute book for decades—sometimes centuries—and is clearly no longer being utilised, in order to clear the statute book. Would the Scottish Government consider doing that with unused Henry VIII powers?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Before I pass on to Bill Kidd, does the minister see a difference between consultation and the co-design of bills?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a final question before I open up the discussion to colleagues for final questions. I had to leave earlier, so I did not get the chance to ask this question at that point.

On the definition or label of “framework”, there was a helpful suggestion in the evidence from NFU Scotland, which considered that three criteria should be used to define framework legislation. I read them out in the committee two weeks ago and, for consistency, I will do so again:

“1) There is a need to deliver flexibility and adaptivity to mitigate possible future challenges.

2) Extensive work is undertaken with relevant stakeholders before and during the parliamentary process.

3) A clear indication of the overall required outcomes is set out by the Scottish Government.”

Do you think that NFU Scotland’s suggestions are helpful in relation to considering a definition of, or setting criteria or parameters for what is termed as, “framework” legislation?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you, minister. I suspend the meeting briefly to allow Bill Kidd to take the chair.

10:12 Meeting suspended.  

10:12 On resuming—  

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Does the committee wish to note that the original draft of the instrument was withdrawn, and the present version relaid, following questions that the committee raised with the Scottish Government?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 3, we are considering an instrument subject to the negative procedure, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instrument subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.