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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Sure. Regarding paragraph 92’s first bullet point on equalities, have you had any dialogue with ScotRail about its disability access work?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

If someone buys a ticket to use a train, they purchase the ticket, but part of that also covers the cost of accessing the rail, because Network Rail is a separate organisation.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will ask about a different area in relation to paragraph 16: train travel. When the report was being put together, was any analysis undertaken of the true cost of train journeys and train fares?

Network Rail is still reserved to Westminster. However, the cost to ScotRail of accessing the rail will clearly add to the cost of a ticket. If Network Rail were to be devolved, that could have a positive impact in reducing the cost of tickets.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

You reference a cross-Government plan in paragraph 17 of your report. Is that only within Scotland, or is it UK-wide?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a range of questions on things that are dotted throughout the report. Before I get into them, I want to follow on from Colin Beattie’s questions about the additional information that is to be sent to the committee. Can that be put alongside the report on the Audit Scotland website to help to provide background?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I genuinely think that paragraph 35 is a cop-out, to be honest. There are some urban authorities that will have rural parts to them, but I accept the point about more solely rural local authority areas. Once again, however, I think of my constituency, and an area that has been suggested for a housing development. It is equidistant between two train stations, and it is just off a trunk road. The only way to get to any of the train stations will be to drive.

Active travel routes can be put in, but in my area, it rains quite a lot, so they will not be used a great deal. The only way to get to somewhere is to get on to a trunk road that is already congested at peak times. Despite folk highlighting concerns, however, the measures are still being progressed.

That is what has been going on from a planning perspective. Councils do not need any additional guidance on planning—they know their area better than any Government of any colour or stripe would do. For me, paragraph 35 of the report really is a cop-out, when I consider what is going on in my patch.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a 20-minute neighbourhoods example, but I will not go into it today, because I can talk to you about it another time.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Sure. With regard to paragraph 45 of the report, and the “detailed analysis”, do you have any indication of the cost of the reports involved in that?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

There is an excellent story to tell. I only found out a few weeks ago about what ScotRail offers, because I was dealing with it on behalf of a constituent. I put the point to ScotRail that it needs to tell more people about its openness and its offer to help people. ScotRail told me that, as a consequence of that offer, more people with disabilities are travelling on the rail network as opposed to sitting at home and doing nothing.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

That ties into paragraph 14, which is on page 11, and exhibit 8, which is on page 37, with regard to areas that are outwith the Scottish Parliament’s powers. A potential suggestion is—dare I say it—to reduce fuel duty, which would impact on bus travel overall. Paragraph 67 mentions bus operators cancelling services and the many challenges that they face. If bus travel was cheaper, more people would certainly be aided and encouraged to use that form of transport. Surely a discussion could be had about passing on a reduction in fuel duty to bus operators in order to reduce the cost of tickets.