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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Finally, are you confident that mainstream and special education have the capacity to accommodate the increase in demand for ASL support?

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

One key point that constituents consistently make to me is that every child with an additional support need is different. You can say that about every child, of course, but when it comes to attempting to catch the data that is missing, I can understand why there are gaps. It will be very difficult to be accurate about that. Therefore, I appreciate that there are gaps, and I appreciate, too, the challenges that are faced by local authorities in trying to get that data. Getting a solution in this area will be difficult, to say the least.

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 16 of the briefing touches on the fact that accessing ASL can require a diagnosis by a specialist before support can be provided. Will you provide a bit more information and detail on how that impacts the broader understanding of ASL provision in Scotland?

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Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

First, I will just make you aware that I chair the cross-party group on visual impairment and I am the deputy chair of the cross-party group on dyslexia.

I found the briefing fascinating. It certainly highlighted a few different areas for consideration, to say the least. I have been working with a local additional support needs group for the past nine months, so that has helped to frame some of my thinking about the briefing.

The first issue that I picked up on is the bullet point on annually published data in the recommendations. My first consideration of that was that it might lead to an unintended consequence of having league tables that people would look at and use to pit one local authority against another.

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you, convener. I have one supplementary to what I think was Graham Simpson’s final question. You have indicated that the briefing is not a full analysis or report, and that it is not about comparing Scotland with anywhere else, but are you aware of any work that has been undertaken to compare and contrast Scotland with elsewhere? After all, Scotland will not be the only place in the world that is trying to deal with and improve outcomes for children with additional support needs.

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Are you able to provide further detail on the review of teacher training announced by the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and how critical it is for teacher training to evolve in line with increasing ASL demand?

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

The question is really just based on paragraph 46 onwards.

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Would that also include aspects such as accreditation and registration?

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

As I said at the outset, the parents to whom I have been talking and engaging with over the past nine months or so have highlighted consistently that they feel as though a number of kids are in mainstream when they should not be and a number of kids are in separate schools when they could be in mainstream. I recognise, and parents recognise, that this is not easy, and there is a big challenge in trying to ensure that children get to the right location. You mentioned finance, which has been discussed quite a lot this morning. I dare say that that will play a huge part in any future discussions on future activity. Decision makers have a huge role to play in delivering getting it right for every child.

Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

The briefing refers to five local authority areas that you sampled, and I see that one of the key points is that, in areas of deprivation, more children are likely to require, and to struggle to get, additional support. However, I note that four of those five local authority areas were on the east coast; one was rural; no island communities were represented; and, although one could argue that Inverclyde and West Dunbartonshire are two of the most deprived local authority areas in Scotland, they were not included in the five that were sampled. I am keen to understand why those five were picked.