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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

Notwithstanding the fact that two new people have joined the board, do you have confidence in the chair of the board and in the board?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is helpful, and it would be good if you could provide that information, Mr Rhatigan.

On Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow, Mr Irwin, you touched on the reports that First Marine International sent to the committee. There were six different reports and the covering letter accompanying them states that the first study, which took place in 2020-21, was, in effect, about the benchmarking, and the second study, which took place in 2022-23, was the potential improvements study.

Between those two reports and the level of scrutiny that the division, with that information, has placed on the yard—obviously, you have the unredacted versions as compared to us—and bearing in mind how politically sensitive the situation with FMPG is and how many jobs are involved with the yard, what genuine activity has your division undertaken and what input does it have with regard to the yard?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is quite helpful information.

How does SCAD assess the effectiveness of previous decisions to intervene, or not, in a particular business or to make follow-on investments such as the recent investment of £14.2 million in Ferguson’s?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

With regard to that expertise, would you get somebody who has an understanding of and experience in the shipbuilding industry to give you that advice?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

I do not dispute that in any way, shape or form, because I genuinely recognise that it is a different operating model.

We have heard today that you do not deal with the day-to-day operations—that is obviously for others—but the fact is that the yard has clearly not been competitive. If there was more scrutiny of the day-to-day operations—whether that is scrutiny of the accounting officer or of the new chief executive, who must obviously be given time to prove his worth—that would surely help to make the yard competitive. The yard cannot compete with China. Very few can compete with countries where the labour costs are a lot less; I think that we would all acknowledge that. There are things that the yard can do, and has done in the past, so that it can compete, but the cost situation is clearly hampering that. Therefore, I implore you and your staff to have more input and to carry out more of a scrutiny function and more due diligence of the yard’s day-to-day operations.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

This is my final question, convener. The version of the First Marine International report that we have is heavily redacted, although there is some very useful and helpful information in what we can read of it. To what extent did Scottish Government officials challenge the levels of redaction in the reports? Did FMI provide you with a rationale for the aspects that it deemed to be too commercially sensitive to release?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is unacceptable.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instruments subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

Does the committee wish to highlight its correspondence to the lead committee, noting that the Scottish Government intends to correct the errors in the signing copy of the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Leases (Automatic Continuation etc) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a supplementary question. Does the Scottish Government have any figures on the number of leases that it is estimated would come to an end and come under the new law, if it is passed? How many leases would be covered by that? In addition, do you have any figures on circumstances in which leases have been lost and different folk are involved?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Leases (Automatic Continuation etc) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

A range of commitments have been made to come back to the committee with information, so we will get those responses from you—thank you for that.

I thank the minister and her officials for their evidence. The committee might follow up in writing with any further questions after our final discussions.

That concludes the public part of the meeting.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:42.