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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Budget 2026-27 and Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

In this area, the focus understandably tends to be on the capacity of the health service to accommodate those who are brought into the hospital environment. We understand that that is a significant issue; it might be the primary issue. I was taken with evidence that the committee gathered at the meeting that we held on 18 February, when we heard from Dr Robby Steel, a consultant psychiatrist who works with NHS Scotland. He is involved with Police Scotland to try to improve things. I was taken with his point that, presumably, the police officers who bring someone to a hospital environment think that it is the right place and a safe place for the person to be, but that it is his experience that, sometimes, he says to officers, “You’ve brought the person here. You can go now” and they say that they cannot go and that that is at the instruction of a superior officer. I pressed that point with David Threadgold, and he said that that is sometimes his experience, too.

ACC Paton said that work is being done to build confidence among officers to recognise when they can leave someone at the hospital, but do you recognise that as a challenge? Even if that is marginal, there would presumably be a cost benefit—we are talking about the budget today—to saying that officers can leave once they have taken someone to the hospital.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Budget 2026-27 and Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I have just a couple of questions. First, going back to the capital budget allocation, I note that you got around 92 per cent of the amount that you were seeking, which I think was around 23 per cent up from the autumn budget revision position. Clearly, though, you did not get everything that you were seeking.

You have touched a little on the issue of prioritisation, but I just want to go back to the estate and digital data requirements. I appreciate that body-worn cameras, which have been mentioned, are very specific things that only Police Scotland can carry, but in previous evidence sessions, with a range of bodies, we touched on the potential for greater collaboration, particularly in the digital area, but perhaps in the estate, too. I am keen to understand whether that is being actively looked at. For example, if we are talking about the sharing of data between, say, the Crown Office and the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service, I know that they have a shared campus in Livingston. Are those sorts of cost benefit opportunities still being actively explored?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Budget 2026-27 and Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

It would be useful if we could get that. I think that you told us at the last meeting that it equated to about 500 officers’ salaries.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

You mentioned the two new prisons that are being constructed. Are you able to confirm that those are still on schedule?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I think that you said that that will provide 460 additional spaces.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I will not give the precise figures but, basically, from 2022-23 to 2023-24, the numbers being sentenced were up, which goes against the grain of there being a presumption against short-term sentences. Do you have any insight or understanding into what is driving that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Broadly speaking, I am pretty satisfied with the instrument. The policy note probably explains enough of the context. If colleagues want more information, we can look at it next week, but I am fairly convinced that we will be persuaded.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Is that a methodology that you have devised yourself, or is it prescribed?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Presumably, though, some complaints that might be found to be vexatious might not even reach the threshold of saying that it constitutes a matter worth investigating and that the person who has made the report requires that level of sanction. There must be some that you can look at and pretty quickly see whether there is a sufficiency of evidence.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice System (Challenges for Session 7)

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Those are obviously cases that would require investigation. I am thinking more of ones that were referred to earlier, such as someone saying that an officer was rude to them when they went into the station to make a complaint. How is that type of thing looked into? Are you able to determine that there was a case—“case” with a lower-case C rather than an upper-case C—to answer?