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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is useful clarification and is helpful to understand.

The chair of the authority has given an indication of how some of the savings have been achieved. The submission talks about the savings delivered during this year amounting to around £300,000. Is that against the budget of £5.5 million—meaning that expenditure will be £5.2 million—or would the budget otherwise have been £5.8 million?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I do not know whether other witnesses have a perspective on what that support should look like.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

The fundamental point is that there were two prosecutions. You said that that would probably have been because there were other associated charges.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

A lot of the ground that I hoped to touch on has been covered already. I will focus on the proposed repeal of section 46 of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982.

It was instructive to hear from Detective Superintendent Bertram that, in effect—I am paraphrasing his evidence—Police Scotland is not currently operating cases under that section. The figures that Dr Forbes has provided certainly seem to substantiate that. Just to drill into those a little further, Dr Forbes, you mentioned that there were 46 charges in 10 cases during the period from April 2020 until August this year. Does the figure of 10 cases mean that 10 individuals were involved?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Is that quantifiable? I realise that you probably cannot give me a figure now, but could you tell us the costs of policing anti-immigration protests and hotels? Could you tell us the costs of policing the proscription of Palestine Action by the UK Government and of operation roll 2? In addition, do you have information on the costs of policing violence associated with sporting events—primarily football? It would probably be helpful to understand that, too.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

There have been differences of opinion in the evidence that we have taken thus far. Some people feel strongly that, if the proposed new law were to be introduced, it would drive activity underground. As a consequence, that could make the environment less safe and more violent for those who are involved in the selling of sex. That is pretty concerning to hear. I accept the point that others have made, which is that we can never make the environment truly safe. I understand that. Some say that the evidence suggests that the approach that the bill advocates would not lead to an upturn in violent behaviour, but we have heard that it would. Have you a perspective on the likely outcome?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

It is clear that there is a perception of that risk, though. Is that something that your officers will hear when engaging with those involved in the selling of sex? Will they have heard that this change is coming in, and would they be concerned about that?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

With respect, I do not think that “I hope so” would be your answer to the question I was asking. I asked whether your officers hear from those involved in the selling of sex about whether, if this change comes in—

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Do others have a perspective on the likelihood of the proposed changes making the environment more dangerous?

I seems that no one has such a perspective. That is okay.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Good morning. Chief Constable Farrell, you have talked about the need for the budget to cover the increased national insurance contribution costs. Could you tell us what the cost has been to Police Scotland this financial year and what the forecast cost is for next year?