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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

It is reassuring to know that it has been done, because that has not always been clear when trying to explore that aspect. If we can have some line of sight on that, that would be really helpful.

I have two more very quick questions. One picks up on Pauline McNeill’s point about retained firefighters. As a service, you have recognised the difficulties in recruiting retained firefighters, and the FBU has made that point as well. A lot of these changes are, as you have set out, predicated on the recruitment of additional retained firefighters. Supposing that that is not possible or successful, is there any guarantee—again, I recognise that it might be on a localised basis—that changes that are predicated on that recruitment would not go ahead because you had not been able to recruit?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

It is useful to understand that.

I have one other question. I indicated to the FBU that I would ask it, so I should. Again, the FBU does not think that it is sleight of hand or anything, but it said that it would have been helpful to understand in more detail the scoring exercise for the options that were presented at an event at Stirling. Is it possible to get a greater line of sight on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I might need to try to understand why we were told that the scoring was not available, although I might have misunderstood the point.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Jamie Hepburn

The previous panel members said the same, and I am not suggesting otherwise. The chief officer is saying that the scoring is available, so we should be able to see that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I will be, convener. My question picks up on Sharon Dowey’s points but more specifically on the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s comment to us, Ms Gosal, that your assumption in the financial memorandum—that each caseworker who deals with MAPPA notification requirements has a case allocation of between 50 and 60—is not correct. It says that, according to COSLA, that

“is in ‘direct conflict with the Social Work Scotland Setting the Bar report, which advised that 20-25 cases per worker was manageable and safe’”

and that

“East Renfrewshire Health and Social Care Partnership, South Lanarkshire Council, and Police Scotland agreed with COSLA’s view that the FM sets an unrealistic caseload target.”

You have just said that you do not think that there will be any changes to your estimate, but how do you respond to what the committee has said?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

So it could be quite a bit higher—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

You said again that we have had only two evidence sessions on the bill. I have taken a bill through the Parliament with the full support of the Government and I recognise the work that goes into that, so I understand the work that will have gone into taking your member’s bill forward. You said that you set out to do so three and a half years ago. The cut-off point for introducing a member’s bill was in June last year, and you introduced yours in May. Do you accept that the point at which you introduced the bill will inevitably have limited the amount of time that we have to look at it?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am aware of that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I appreciate your position, but I am asking whether you think that the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and Police Scotland are wrong.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I am asking what you would say in response if they raised the same issue about any other bill.