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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

Good morning. I will try to focus on some specifics. In the period in which the chief executive officer was requesting to return to work, the board’s view was that the chief executive officer should either take extended leave or otherwise be suspended. Does the decision about which of those three outcomes should happen rest entirely with the board, or does the Scottish Government have any ability to instruct or direct the board in that respect?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

I ask you to hold that thought, because I am coming to it in a moment. First, I want to tie off the earlier point. Mr Hogg, in response to my first question about the meeting on 10 September, told us that the Scottish Government expressed surprise at the decision to suspend. I just want to be absolutely clear. Prior to that, was there at any point a moment when the Scottish Government expressed a view in advance about which decision—return to work, extended leave or suspension—was correct?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

That is helpful context. I am just looking to pin down the facts on the amount of contact. Other than the correspondence mentioned in the timeline and the communication that you have just referred to, was there no other contact or dialogue between the Government and the chief executive?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

Okay. If there is further detail on that, perhaps it can be provided later.

The cabinet secretary came on to the separate issue about the appointment of an interim accountable officer being a Government decision and the appointment of the chief executive being a board decision, and the usual practice being that those positions are held by the same person. That seems to be where an already messy situation has been compounded. Those decisions—not only who to appoint but whether to appoint an interim for those two separate posts—are completely separate. Am I correct to say that those two decisions are entirely separate and that one sits with the board and the other with the Government?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

Yes, but, ultimately, the board was still free to say, “We’re not going to bother.”

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

You asked the board for its rationale. At any point, did the Scottish Government, either in the person of the cabinet secretary or through officials, express a view about which of those three outcomes—return to work, extended leave or suspension—should happen?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

I do not think that we should be trying to turn the situation into a political football or to score points about it. Our priority should be to ensure that, if, in future, any public body should encounter anything that is comparable with this situation, it is resolved more quickly and effectively. Should the rules change as a result of what has been learned through this unhappy experience to ensure that the gap between the appointment of a CEO and the appointment of an accountable officer is closed?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

I will end that line of questioning there, but it seems as though the provision of some kind of special measures protocol—to be used in extremis and, I would hope, very rarely—is something that the Government ought to reflect on.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

So COSLA recognises that councils are in very different circumstances and that even a general uplift in local government funding, were that to be made possible, would still not resolve the fact that there are certain councils that face extraordinary pressures on other parts of their budget, which will inevitably have an impact on areas such as culture.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Patrick Harvie

That meeting was on 10 September.