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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 January 2026
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Meeting of the Parliament

Defence Sector (Economic Contribution)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I will start by congratulating Murdo Fraser on the comprehensive programme of defence industries that he identified in his speech.

I also congratulate Daniel Johnson, Paul Sweeney, Edward Mountain and Jackie Baillie on what I thought were first-class, direct speeches that spoke to the very heart of the issue of the defence of this country.

I also pay tribute to the hero of this afternoon’s proceedings, Angus Robertson, who was, in fact, the only member of the Government who was prepared to sit beside the Deputy First Minister. I watched Fiona Hyslop come in, note that the Deputy First Minister was sitting on her own, unsupported, on the front bench, and bravely sit in the row behind her.

I am reminded of when it used to be that the slogan of the Scottish Government was “Stronger for Scotland”. Well, the last time that it was stronger for Scotland’s defences was when Derek Mackay sat on the front bench as its financial spokesman and actively campaigned on behalf of Thales in Govan for the ground-support vehicles that were needed to be manufactured here in Scotland, and, no doubt, deployed in the defence of this country.

The Scottish Government could take the advice of someone such as Stewart McDonald, who sat with Mr Robertson at the Palace of Westminster, where he spoke knowledgeably on defence matters, and who is now clearly at war with his own back-bench friends here in the Scottish Parliament. However, instead of his advice, the Scottish Government is now taking the advice of the Scottish Greens.

Here is the nub of the issue, as far as I am concerned: how can the Scottish Government contemplate advice from the Greens, who, when we had a reception in Parliament during apprenticeship week for more than 100 16-year-olds working in a whole diverse section of the defence industries in this country, had Ross Greer on a megaphone outside this Parliament condemning them and egging on those who were pushing, shoving and spitting at them and accusing them of committing genocide? How is that supportable?

Let us face it—the Scottish Greens are against Britain’s defence industries. They have accused Britain of committing war crimes. Ross Greer has talked about the war crimes of Churchill. The Greens talk about the war crimes of the UK Government, all the way through to the present Government. They talk about the need to be transparent, but in order to be transparent, it is necessary to be free, and in order to be free, it is necessary to have strong defences that allow us to defend our own country.

Fifty years after a politician said that one’s first duty to freedom is to defend one’s own and acquired the sobriquet of the “Iron Lady” for her trouble, Lorna Slater looks to Kate Forbes and tells her that, instead, she should stand before our enemies and posture as the organic food lady. What possible defence of our country would that represent?

Meeting of the Parliament

Defence Sector (Economic Contribution)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I will, since Ms Slater was gracious enough to give way—eventually.

Meeting of the Parliament

Economic Performance (A Better Deal for Taxpayers)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Will the member take an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament

Defence Sector (Economic Contribution)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Will Lorna Slater take an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament

Defence Sector (Economic Contribution)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I have heard Scottish Green politicians say that the United Kingdom itself commits war crimes. Is it the Scottish Greens’ position that the United Kingdom Government should not be supplying weapons to itself?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We have to be careful, as that involves an active case. We cannot really discuss it.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

No problem. Thank you very much.

Paul Sweeney has been much concerned with the petition’s progress, and he has been with us online this morning. I will use my discretion to invite him in and see whether he would like to put any questions to you.

Welcome, Mr Sweeney—the floor is yours.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

There we are. Thank you, Mr Sweeney. Your contribution and some of the others that we have heard along the way perhaps play into what I might pose as the final question.

The Scottish Government has committed to updating guidance on how local authorities deal with dangerous listed buildings, including undertaking research to inform that work. Is there any point that you might want to volunteer in conclusion, additional to anything that we have discussed, that you would like to see reflected or included in that fresh guidance?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you all very much for what has been a very interesting conversation. We have had the opportunity to consider the petition on a number of occasions, and it does come to mind sometimes in the period between our considerations. When a building that is under threat materialises in the national infrastructural consciousness, one immediately thinks of the provisions that we have been discussing.

We will consider the evidence that we have heard at a future date, and thank you all for your participation. I suspend the meeting briefly.

10:32 Meeting suspended.  

10:33 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Can we incorporate the suggestions made in the ALACHO dispatch in our submission to the minister? Are we agreed?