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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 18 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I thank the petitioner for bringing their petition to the committee.
That concludes the public part of our meeting. We have not agreed the date of our next meeting as yet, but we will meet again in early course. Are members content for me to liaise with the clerks, agree the date and advise members of it?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 18 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Thank you. We will now move into private session.
10:27 Meeting continued in private until 10:37.Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 18 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
No, we did not. I am sorry, but we lost the last sentence, Mr Lyon. Could you conclude that point again?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 18 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I understand all that and it is a helpful exposition of the position. It sounds—and I am choosing my words carefully—as though force majeure motivated the change in the position as opposed to a re-evaluation of HIAL’s original thinking and as though an evolution of the various points that you have just raised led to the change of heart. Is there a bitterness in HIAL that the change has been brought about and that it is not the route that you would have preferred to take?
That leads me to another question that has come up in some of the evidence that we have received. I have to say that Prospect seemed reassured on this point, but is there a commitment that the strategy that will now be followed will be sustained? Is there no suggestion that the plan is to return to the original proposal after a period of time and when there is a further window of opportunity?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 18 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Thank you. That is clear.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 18 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
That is great—thank you.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I do not know that I came to those value judgments on the development of the website any more than I do over whether it is time, quality or cost on the lift refurbishment programme.
The key point is that the corporate body is acutely aware that it is public money—that is where we start from in our examination—and that we must have a product that matches the quality and expectation of the Parliament. However, we defer and delegate to the people who are charged with the relevant responsibility for taking the project forward. We do not interfere in an executive way in the operational decisions that you just asked about.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
The Finance and Public Administration Committee has its variable interest from one year to the next. I often used to be interrogated at excruciating length about the commissioners. The committee’s interest can shift in any given year, given the priorities of the public understanding of the Parliament’s work. The question that you put has to go to the people who were charged with delivering the project.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Convener, that is my fault. Since we stopped producing paper copies of the Official Report, I have become increasingly concerned that parliamentarians have not been bothering to access it and, therefore, might have less familiarity with the general business of the Parliament than was the case previously. Therefore, for no reason other than that it would be of enormous value to me, I requested that the Official Report be taken out of the general “go and find it” category and be proactively sent to all members every day, as used to be the case with the old paper copy.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 17 May 2022
Jackson Carlaw
In the year to which you refer, I gave evidence to the previous finance committee and colleagues asked me questions about development of the new website, which are in the Official Report. Therefore, MSPs on the predecessor committee were aware of development of the website and interrogated me on it.