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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 October 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Are members content with those suggestions?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We have a proposal to close the petition, in view of the fact that the petition’s aims have been largely met, although, in one respect, the Government will not be taking action forward. Are we content to close the petition?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Ewing has referred to the next petition, PE2101, which was lodged by Peter Earl on behalf of Troqueer primary school. It calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to provide primary and secondary schools with automated external defibrillators. When the committee last considered the petition, in September 2024, we agreed to write to the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health. Members will recall that we highlighted the UK Government’s provision of defibrillators to all schools in England and asked whether the Scottish Government would provide direct funding to do the same. I think that that might have been the example to which I was referring a moment ago.

The minister’s response reiterates that local authorities make decisions on purchasing, installing and maintaining defibrillators for schools in their area. The response also states that solutions to improve survival from cardiac arrest may differ between areas. The Save a Life for Scotland partnership takes a data-driven approach to working with local authorities to understand the chain of survival in their areas and how to improve it.

The committee has also received a written submission from Rodger Hill. Rodger, as most of us will now know, is the father of our late parliamentary colleague, the researcher David Hill, who died while playing rugby for the Scottish Parliament rugby team in Ireland. The submission outlines the work undertaken by the charity set up in David’s memory, the DH9 Foundation, which includes facilitating the installation of 42 defibrillators in Dumfries and Galloway. Mr Hill’s freedom of information requests reveal that, of 2,446 schools, 893 have defibrillators on site. The submission calls for a renewed commitment from the Scottish Government to deliver cardiopulmonary resuscitation training to every child in schools biennially, and it calls for grant funding to provide defibrillators in schools across Scotland.

Mr Ewing has suggested that we couple the petition with the previous one and advise the minister that we would like to take evidence on both of them. Do members agree with Mr Ewing’s suggestion?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petition

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Jackson Carlaw

That latter point is particularly important. You are nodding, Mr Choudhury.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

You can both come in, but I am conscious of time.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Welcome back to this meeting of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee. We have just concluded our first round table and we now have our second round-table discussion on PE2018, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to recognise the value of swimming pools and provide financial relief to help to keep pools open.

We are joined by Dianne Breen, coached programmes manager at Sport Aberdeen; Kirsty Doig, director at the Darcey Sunshine Project; Jillian Gibson, policy manager for sport and physical activity at COSLA; and Ben Lamb, chief executive at West Lothian Leisure, which is also known as Xcite. A warm welcome to all the witnesses.

If you are content to do so, we will move straight to questions. I hope that you will take the opportunity to use the answer to any question to articulate any additional views that you have.

I invite my colleague Maurice Golden to open the questioning.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

You are speaking to a committee that is sometimes referred to as the awkward squad, in as much as we tend, irrespective of our political parties, to unanimously be a thorn in the flesh of everybody.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. I asked quite a bit. I think that we are developing themes rather than pursuing specific points. I should also say that we have now been joined by our colleague, Maurice Golden.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

When young people learn to swim, do the majority of them learn in a swimming pool as opposed to open water?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Before I bring in colleagues, I note that you mentioned the position throughout the UK, and you will obviously understand what is happening elsewhere. Our concern is the provision of opportunities for people to acquire this life-saving skill here in Scotland, but is the trend that we are discussing also being felt across the rest of the UK? Are your colleagues who compete elsewhere similarly concerned about what is happening, or does Scotland perhaps have a swimming pool estate that is older and more susceptible to closures?