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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Good morning, and welcome to the last meeting in 2023 of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.

First, I will make a general comment in respect of certain social media commentary that has been promoted since our meeting a fortnight ago. It is important to understand that all the members of the committee act impartially in support of advancing the aims of our petitioners. We do not necessarily do that with any personal commitment to a petition or because we support it or oppose it. Our responsibility is to seek to advance the aims of the petition, as requested by the petitioner.

However, when it becomes clear to us that we are unable to take the matters in a petition forward, we have, in fairness to other petitions that we can advance, no option at that point but to move to close the petition. In closing a petition, we are not expressing a view about its merits or giving the personal view of any member of the committee. It is simply that, at that stage, we are unable to take the aims of the petition any further forward.

Of course, it is open to any petitioner, after a period of time, to lodge a fresh petition. It may well be that, in the circumstances that exist at that point, the aims of a petition that could not previously have been advanced can be taken forward.

I wanted to explain that, because our situation is different from the positions of other committees. All the members here act in the best interests of advancing a petition, as long as we are able to do so. The matter harks back to one of the conclusions that arose from our inquiry into deliberative democracy, which was that a distinction is to be drawn between Parliament and the Government. This is not the Government; this is Parliament. We are not the ones who are develop national legislation; we are the ones who hold Government to account, insofar as we are able so to do.

That brings us to agenda item 1, which is consideration of whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Those items will be to discuss the evidence that we hear today and how we might want to take forward our inquiry into the A9. Are colleagues content to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

I am conscious that Rona MacKay and Naomi Bremner might also wish to comment.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Naomi, would you like to comment on the themes that Fergus Ewing has developed?

10:00  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Naomi Bremner, I saw you nodding along. Do you want to add anything?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We are running a few minutes over, but Fergus Ewing would like to come back in.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Just before I bring in Naomi, I point out that we will have to draw this evidence session to a close. I invite Naomi to respond and then I will come to each of our other two witnesses. If there are any final comments that you would like to add, that would be very helpful.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Rona, is there anything that you would like to add that we might not have covered? Do you have final points to make?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Angus, would you like to add any final thoughts?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

We will consider that later. I thank you all, again. I will now suspend briefly to allow us to move to the next item.

10:22 Meeting suspended.  

10:22 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. We will keep the petition open and seek to get that information.

Thank you, Mr Whittle.