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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2024 of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee.

Our first agenda item is simply to agree to take in private agenda item 4, which relates to evidence that we will hear this morning. Are members content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Our academics suggested that the historical territorial gangland violence among young people is less of an issue than it once was and that the pattern of violence and the way in which it occurs are different.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

The committee is particularly concerned about younger people. The victims of violence we met were 12 or 13 years old. One was the subject of violence on a school bus. One was a slightly withdrawn individual who was artificially befriended and more or less invited by appointment to be assaulted. We might have a chance to look at some of that in more detail later. The victims were girls and they were attacked by other girls. The committee heard about horrendously despicable acts involving people of a relatively young age, egged on by the peer group in attendance. Are those two examples uniquely awful or, in the pattern of trends, is there a trend of growth, however small, in youth violence in that age group?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

One of the parents said that they were slightly aghast that the remedy was to put in place a series of actions to support the perpetrator of the violence, to try to take them out of the culture of violence, but that the victim of the violence had received virtually no remedial support whatsoever. David Torrance, sorry—I interrupted you.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I was going to ask whether that was a reflection or a question, Mr Ewing, but we got to a question in the end.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I feel that I have a duty to the petitioner and to the witnesses from whom I heard to ask this question. They understand that the police operate within guidelines, issued by the Lord Advocate, that deal with the circumstances in which alleged offences committed by children should be reported to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. What impact do those guidelines have on police who have to deal with allegations of violence? Does more need to be done to explain to victims what action is and is not being taken?

The experience of those witnesses was not abstract; it was real. They were told by the police, “They are under 25. There’s nothing we can do. It’s not worth it. The procurator won’t act.” As a consequence, in both cases, the families felt unable to leave their homes, because they had come into contact with the perpetrators, who provoked them further, mocked them and made their lives difficult in their community because they felt that they were immune. Bizarrely, their parents seemed to be part of the posse of those abusing the victims. Gone are the days when some parents would have felt that they had a duty to act in respect of their children; they now seem to feel that they have to defend their children in front of the people who were abused.

What would you say to those people? They listened in some despair to our academic discussion at our previous evidence session, and they tried to relate that to their absolutely appalling experiences and the lack of any response.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Ewing has a final quick follow-up question.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That is a fair point and I am happy that we seek to accommodate that. That was not the suggestion that I had expected from Mr Torrance.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

PE1916, lodged by Councillors Douglas Philand and Donald Kelly, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to instigate a public inquiry regarding the political and financial management of the A83 Rest and Be Thankful project, which is due to provide a permanent solution for the route.

We last considered the petition on 17 May 2023, after which we wrote to the Minister for Transport. However, since our previous considerations, Transport Scotland has announced the preferred route for a long-term solution. The then minister, who is now Cabinet Secretary for Transport, provided details of the preferred route in her response. The response also notes that the proposed medium-term solution is a temporary solution that is intended to add resilience and operational benefits while the permanent solution is constructed.

We have also received a submission from the petitioner raising concerns about whether the preferred route option is the right choice, and how the solution will be funded, particularly if a new government has different spending priorities.

There will always be a view as to what the right choice would be. The important thing here is that we now have a preferred option for both temporary and long-term solutions. I wonder how we might take the matter forward. Do colleagues have any suggestions?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much. That was an interesting petition. We will keep it open and we will undertake the inquiries that we have just set out.