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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 September 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Yes, that aspect is at the heart of the petition.

Mr Borg-Barthet, I want to understand—you alluded to this—the extent to which the issue is a problem about legal threats rather than about court action. Is that where the centre of gravity is in this matter?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

We expect Fergus Ewing to join us shortly, so there is no apology there.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2024 of the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee. I begin by thanking my deputy convener, David Torrance, for convening the previous meeting of the committee, which had quite a packed agenda of engagement and evidence taking. I am grateful to him.

Our first item is the customary one to agree on whether to take business in private. Under items 4 and 5, we will consider the evidence that we will hear this morning. Do colleagues agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

We have a series of areas to explore in detail, but my first question is just meant to ensure our broad understanding of the issue. The committee was engaged by the petition when we saw it. Therefore, we have taken the unusual step of convening this evidence session, which we do not do in relation to every petition.

We have also had a briefing from the Parliament’s independent research unit, the Scottish Parliament information centre. When I read that, I was struck not by the principle of the argument that you are making but by the question of whether, in practice, the different genetic code that Scotland’s legal system has as a result of the way in which it was established means that it is less likely to be overwhelmed by the type of threat that you envisage and that, therefore, a reactive rather than a proactive Government approach to the issue, in the light of evidence, would be an arguable way to go.

What is your view on that? I put that question to you, Mr Mullin, and any of your colleagues.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

It is as if you are suggesting that our legal profession always has an eye to the main chance. That is the conclusion that I am drawing from that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Is there anything that you would like to say, Mr Mustafa?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

There are other applications. I was just trying to understand where the centre of gravity is in relation to their use.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Briefly, please, as I wish to bring in Mr Ewing.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

You have had nothing to the contrary.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you for that passionate exposition in support of the petition. I wonder whether it is too corny of me to say that we have had two COPs and that, if we have a third, that will be more than I have in my constituency.

Colleagues, can we have suggestions about how we might proceed?