Skip to main content
Loading…

Chamber and committees

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Filter your results Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 1696 contributions

|

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you.

Liz, I have a similar question for you about what you hope to see in the draft plan. At this stage, does your chamber of commerce have an idea of what needs to be included in the draft plan and what kind of support businesses need, and whether there is support that is particular to the types of businesses that are based in Grangemouth?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Have you been engaged in the drafting of the just transition plan that the Government is putting together, which might be published in the spring? Have there been conversations around that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Yes, we had the publication of the Ana Stewart report in recent days. The committee takes an interest in that area, so I thank you for that contribution.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the first evidence session for our inquiry into a just transition for the Grangemouth area.

Industry is the second-highest carbon-emitting sector in Scotland after transport. There is currently a target for Scotland to cut greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2045. The committee is interested in looking at how we can support, incentivise and de-risk that transition in the Grangemouth area first, to benefit companies and individuals. I thank everyone who responded to our call for evidence, which closed last week. All submissions will be considered during the inquiry.

In today’s session, we will focus on the challenges facing businesses. I welcome Hisashi Kuboyama, development manager for the west with the Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland. He is joined by Liz McAreavey, who is chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, and, from Forth Ports Limited, Stuart Wallace, chief operating officer, and Michelle Primrose, group human resources manager. As always, it would be helpful if members and witnesses could keep their questions and answers as concise as possible.

I welcome our witnesses to the committee. I will go to Hisashi first, followed by Liz. I will focus my questions on both of you at the start.

The Government is producing a just transition plan for the Grangemouth area, and we expect to see the draft of that in the spring. What are the businesses that you represent looking for in the draft plan? Are you confident that it will reflect the challenges that are being faced by businesses? What is your understanding of where the focus is?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you. I recognise that you are here representing Forth Ports and not the broader situation.

Liz McAreavey, do you want to say something about the businesses that you represent and the flow of private finance into supporting the just transition? Are you finding that people are able to access finance? We have heard from witnesses this morning and in previous sessions that there is an appetite for investment, and recognition that investment and returns can be made. Do you find that the flow of money is positive?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

At the moment, the work that is being undertaken is not linked specifically to Grangemouth, is it? It is broader work.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Okay, thank you.

Michelle Primrose and Stuart Wallace, welcome to the committee. I will ask a general question. Do you think that there is a shared understanding of what a just transition is? There are a number of terms, and Hisashi Kuboyama talked about confusion for small businesses around whether we are aiming for carbon neutral, net zero or whatever. Is there a shared understanding in the Grangemouth area of what a just transition means, and of your responsibility in helping to deliver that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Okay, thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

I would like to ask another question about skills that probably follows on from that. Michelle Primrose set out Forth Ports’s activities, its work with the college and the support that is there. Liz McAreavey, you set out the plans in Edinburgh, which take a strategic, longer-term view of planning. Do you feel that that is happening for your sector and the businesses that you represent? Do you feel that you have access to the skills, and are you confident that your businesses can get access to what is needed?

Is this broader than just the energy sector? That is key to the changes that need to happen in Grangemouth. We talked about the interpretation of a just transition, and I think that Maggie Chapman tried to pull out that it is about more than just the energy sector. The Government is part of the wellbeing economy alliance as well. There are bigger issues about the whole region. The energy changes will have a bigger impact than just what happens with energy.

That is quite a broad question. I will come to you first, Liz, because you described a kind of strategic view in Edinburgh. Do you think that a strategic approach is being taken in Grangemouth, setting aside the work that Forth Ports is doing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

I apologise, but I would like to make some progress and let other members in. If there is time at the end, we can come back to this line of questioning.