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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Claire Baker

An issue that came up in the inquiry into a just transition for Grangemouth was whether funding conditionality based on fair work principles should be considered. In a transition that is meant to be just, should there be conditionality? I do not think that there is at the moment, and I know that there are countering views on whether it would be helpful. Do you want to say something about how funds are distributed and decisions are made?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I call Gordon MacDonald, to be followed by Murdo Fraser.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I have to make progress. I must ask the witnesses to be as concise as possible in responding to the questions, because we have a big panel this morning.

I will allow Kevin Stewart one supplementary, but please direct it to only one of the panel members.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Professor Paul de Leeuw, director of the Robert Gordon University ernergy transition institute; Gordon McGuinness, director of industry and enterprise networks at Skills Development Scotland; and Suzanne Sosna, director of economic opportunities and climate at Scottish Enterprise.

I will start with a question that I posed to the first panel, which was about definitions of a just transition, which is an area that the committee is interested in as part of our inquiry. I come first to Paul de Leeuw. Do you think that there is a shared understanding in the north-east and Moray of what a just transition is? Should we be measuring it? How will we know whether it has been delivered?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I understand that Maggie Chapman wishes to declare interests before we start the meeting.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Yes. I was going to raise the fact that your briefing for the committee says:

“SDS and partners have developed a good understanding of the emerging picture.”

The briefing references the climate emergency skills action plan and regional skills assessments, but it does not specify what the emerging picture is. It says that you have

“a good understanding of the emerging picture”,

but it does not state what the emerging picture is. Is that something that you can—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Another theme in the meeting has been the lack of data. It is difficult for us to see what progress we are making on a just transition because we do not have enough information to judge that. Will the information that SDS is working on help with developing a framework in which to judge progress?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I thank the panel very much for its evidence. We will now move into private session.

12:44 Meeting continued in private until 12:58.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

Yes—briefly.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Claire Baker

I ask witnesses and MSPs to keep questions and answers as concise as possible. We are a bit pressed for time now. Colin Beattie will be followed by Brian Whittle.