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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you. I was going to see whether Colin Smyth had any questions about the workforce, but I will go back to the issue of the board. When we conducted our inquiry in the summer, we expressed some frustration around the Grangemouth future industry board, which was not able to give us evidence because it did not constitute itself as a board. It is really a discussion forum. Recently, Richard Dixon has written an article expressing frustration about the lack of activity by the board. I understand that the last minutes that were made public were from December 2022. Although the board may have met, I do not know how transparent it is.

I do not know whether you have an idea of when the board’s priorities will be available. They are not available for 2023-24, yet we are almost at the end of 2023 and we are faced with news that we were not expecting from Grangemouth. The committee would want to look for some assurances that the board is working effectively and is filling the gap with planning the transition. The other issue is that we are still waiting for the Government’s plan.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Is there a recognition that the recent announcement on Grangemouth impacts on the just transition plan significantly, because we have moved at a pace that was not anticipated when the plan was originally drafted?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

On the green freeport, from the outside it looks as though there is a connection between the fact that the refinery business is now moving to an import-export business and, at the same time, a green freeport is being set up that will give tax breaks and incentives to imports and exports. However, we have been told that there is no connection between the two.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

On importing, I asked the previous panel about offsetting. The carbon activity is just being moved somewhere else—we are offshoring it—but it still has to happen. We will be importing refined products. Do you plan to carry out an assessment of where the refined products come from and how they are being refined? Other countries do not have the same health and safety conditions for workers as we do and they will not be refining to the same standards. How will we know that the imports are of the same quality as those that we produce in Scotland?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

A number of members have asked about energy security. No doubt, we will pick that up with the UK Government minister when they are here in January but, at a time of increased global instability, it does not seem like good long-term planning for us to be increasingly reliant on imports.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

The Just Transition Commission published a report today that says:

“the current path will not deliver a just transition”.

It is calling for a detailed and specific set of policies, actions, and investments. Is that what we can expect from the Grangemouth report when it comes out in the spring? You will know that we are currently doing an inquiry into a just transition for north-east Scotland. The commission’s criticism is that although the high level policy and approach might be embedded, there is a lack of action. Will the delivery plan give us that? The committee will scrutinise that when it is published.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you, cabinet secretary and officials, for attending this morning. I will suspend the meeting. [Interruption.] Sorry, did you want to come in, Kenneth MacDermid?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

But it would offer benefits, would it not, if you closed down the refinery and moved to an importing business?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Okay. There might be further questions on green freeports later.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

We are all here sitting on the committee, having done an inquiry a few months ago, and it has come out during a committee meeting that 400 people are about to lose their jobs at the site—that is quite a significant number of jobs—at a pace that I think the committee did not expect. We recognise that there is a shift away from refining and from use of oil and gas, but not at the speed that this happening by 2025 would suggest.

We will pick up with the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy questions about what a just transition means. From the outside, I have to say that, at this point in time, it does not look like there will be a just transition for Grangemouth.