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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

For the Grangemouth area, it is not just about the 400 jobs. I think that people recognise that the 400 jobs involve people who are very highly skilled. We constantly hear at the committee that industries cannot get the skilled people that they need. We can anticipate that those people, who are highly skilled, will have transferable skills. However, there is also the impact on the wider community and on supply chains—I think that other members will pick up on supply chains. The wider community is where the just transition is meant to be delivered.

Part of the Government’s just transition plans was about gaining a fuller understanding of the impact of the site on the wider community, the supply chains and the economic impact of changes at the site. Are you still anticipating that that will be part of the delayed just transition plan? The concern is that, by the time the plan is published, it will be redundant, given the recent announcement. What can we expect from the plan in the spring? Will it take cognisance of the recent announcement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

You will know that the committee did an inquiry into the just transition for Grangemouth in the summer. The announcement was made during our committee meeting two weeks ago. That the announcement was made in the way that it was and the timescales that were attached to it were a bit of a shock to members. We have concerns. That type of announcement does not look like a just transition to us, after the work that was done in the summer. Four hundred jobs is a big proportion of the jobs at the refinery—it is four fifths of them—and quite a lot of jobs will be lost from the site overall.

How does that affect the Government’s just transition plans? From the outside, it looks like what we went through with the mining industry, which is what we are trying to avoid in the current situation.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Okay. We will focus on the issue of jobs, as that has come up. Perhaps the members who asked questions on that in the previous session would like to come in, starting with Maggie Chapman.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Okay. Colin Smyth wishes to come in on this issue.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

We need to make some progress. I call Colin Beattie.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Murdo Fraser also has questions about energy security.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

But we are not moving at a fast enough pace for that to be in place by spring 2025. There will be a period when we will still—

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

I have one other question before I bring in Gordon MacDonald. What incentives does the green freeport offer as a result of closing down the refinery and moving to an import and export business? It looks as though the green freeport is costing rather than creating jobs, because we are looking at losing 400 jobs at Ineos. What factor does the green freeport play in the decision, given that it will be offering tax breaks?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Why did the newspapers report the closure as spring 2025? Where did that come from if it was not part of the announcement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

I do not know whether you can share this with us, but when was the decision made? The meeting with the workers took place on 21 November, but we had our just transition for the Grangemouth area inquiry in the summer. There could have been some recognition of the need for the plant to move towards net zero and that, as a result, plans such as these were being discussed, but not on a timescale that has been presented to us. The workers found out on 21 November, so when was the decision made?