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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Murdo Fraser also has questions about energy security.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

But we are not moving at a fast enough pace for that to be in place by spring 2025. There will be a period when we will still—

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

I have one other question before I bring in Gordon MacDonald. What incentives does the green freeport offer as a result of closing down the refinery and moving to an import and export business? It looks as though the green freeport is costing rather than creating jobs, because we are looking at losing 400 jobs at Ineos. What factor does the green freeport play in the decision, given that it will be offering tax breaks?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Why did the newspapers report the closure as spring 2025? Where did that come from if it was not part of the announcement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

I do not know whether you can share this with us, but when was the decision made? The meeting with the workers took place on 21 November, but we had our just transition for the Grangemouth area inquiry in the summer. There could have been some recognition of the need for the plant to move towards net zero and that, as a result, plans such as these were being discussed, but not on a timescale that has been presented to us. The workers found out on 21 November, so when was the decision made?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you. I was going to see whether Colin Smyth had any questions about the workforce, but I will go back to the issue of the board. When we conducted our inquiry in the summer, we expressed some frustration around the Grangemouth future industry board, which was not able to give us evidence because it did not constitute itself as a board. It is really a discussion forum. Recently, Richard Dixon has written an article expressing frustration about the lack of activity by the board. I understand that the last minutes that were made public were from December 2022. Although the board may have met, I do not know how transparent it is.

I do not know whether you have an idea of when the board’s priorities will be available. They are not available for 2023-24, yet we are almost at the end of 2023 and we are faced with news that we were not expecting from Grangemouth. The committee would want to look for some assurances that the board is working effectively and is filling the gap with planning the transition. The other issue is that we are still waiting for the Government’s plan.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

Is there a recognition that the recent announcement on Grangemouth impacts on the just transition plan significantly, because we have moved at a pace that was not anticipated when the plan was originally drafted?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

On the green freeport, from the outside it looks as though there is a connection between the fact that the refinery business is now moving to an import-export business and, at the same time, a green freeport is being set up that will give tax breaks and incentives to imports and exports. However, we have been told that there is no connection between the two.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

On importing, I asked the previous panel about offsetting. The carbon activity is just being moved somewhere else—we are offshoring it—but it still has to happen. We will be importing refined products. Do you plan to carry out an assessment of where the refined products come from and how they are being refined? Other countries do not have the same health and safety conditions for workers as we do and they will not be refining to the same standards. How will we know that the imports are of the same quality as those that we produce in Scotland?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Claire Baker

A number of members have asked about energy security. No doubt, we will pick that up with the UK Government minister when they are here in January but, at a time of increased global instability, it does not seem like good long-term planning for us to be increasingly reliant on imports.