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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

Bryan Simpson, do you have anything more to say in answer to that question? Also, David Lonsdale, who was on our first panel, referred to the retail industry leadership group. I got the impression that the membership of that group has not yet been decided. Have the unions been approached? Do they have any knowledge of the retail industry leadership group? Have you been asked to become involved in that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

Agenda item 2 is the continuation of our evidence gathering for our town centres and retail inquiry. Our focus today is on the new realities for the Scottish retail sector, with evidence from two panels.

I welcome to the meeting our first panel: Paul Gerrard is campaigns and public affairs director at the Co-operative Group Ltd; David Lonsdale is director of the Scottish Retail Consortium; Martin Newman is a member of the KPMG/Ipsos Retail Think Tank; and Maxine Smedley is head of stores Scotland for Boots UK Ltd. I thank the witnesses for attending.

As always, members and witnesses should keep their questions and answers as concise as possible. Not every question will be directed to every panel member, but everyone will have an opportunity to contribute.

My first question is for Paul Gerrard and Maxine Smedley. The retail sector has had a difficult time during the pandemic. As we start to emerge from Covid, what do you see as the main concerns for the retail sector? How has the experience been, and how is the recovery?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

Maxine, would you like to respond? I should say that one of your store managers attended our round-table session in Dumfries this week and gave us some insight into Boots’s experience during Covid. Do you want to say a bit more about the retail sector’s recovery?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

I call Colin Beattie, to be followed by Gordon MacDonald.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

I will bring in Alexander Burnett, as he is planning to ask about online sales, which Paul Gerrard has just mentioned.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

I call Michelle Thomson.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 27 April 2022

Claire Baker

Thank you.

Joanne Cairns referred to job losses in the sector due to the closure of some large stores. Ruth Boyle, will you talk about that and about the changes that we are seeing in the sector? In relation to jobs, in which areas are we seeing growth and in which areas are we seeing reductions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Claire Baker

Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2022 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. Our first item of business is an evidence session as part of our inquiry into town centres and retail. The session will focus on the view from the ground. The committee will hear evidence from two panels.

I welcome our first panel, who are David Grove, lead officer for the town centre development unit with Fife Council; Jennifer Hunter, executive leader of Culture Counts; Roddy MacDonald, director of the Industrial Communities Alliance Scotland; and Phil Prentice, chief officer at Scotland’s Towns Partnership.

As always, I ask members and witnesses to keep questions and answers as concise as possible. Members will direct questions to panel members. Please do not feel that you have to answer every question, but everyone will get an opportunity to speak—questions will be directed to everyone at some point.

I will start. I ask David Grove to have a go at answering this question first, but if other panel members have something to contribute, they should let me know. In the session before the Easter recess, we heard evidence from Professor Sparks, who spoke about policy decisions over the years that have caused harm to town centres. He talked about the importance of the town centre first principle being applied. From a local authority perspective, how difficult is that to implement? What prevents that approach? Professor Sparks talked about out-of-town developments.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Claire Baker

We have the town centre first principle in place. Is that particularly challenging? Is it to do with the size of the community? You referred to Kirkcaldy, which is typical of towns across Scotland. Some smaller villages in Fife are probably doing a bit better than our main towns.

Professor Sparks spoke about a moratorium on out-of-town developments, but you said that people like out-of-town developments. What policies can local authorities put in place and what can they do to move investment to town centres and secure it in those places?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Claire Baker

At the committee’s most recent meeting, Professor Sparks talked about sometimes looking at a super-BID, so it is interesting to hear that Linlithgow brought together two existing BIDs to create more momentum.

Gemma, do you want to say a bit about the challenges that BIDs face in getting established and continuing?