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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

Catherine, did you say that the retail strategy is tied to the national 10-year economic strategy, and will there be a strand focused on retail?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

Do we have a timescale for the skills audit and action plan?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

I am going to make some progress now. Alexander Burnett is next, to be followed by John Mason.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

When we went to Midsteeple Quarter, the people there shared with us that they had had an issue with insurance, in that they had maybe not realised the significance of their insurance liability. There was a discussion about expert support for such projects that could be accessed centrally.

We will go on to questions from Jamie Halcro Johnston. However, you mentioned the town centre first principle. The committee has heard about difficulties that can exist in delivering it when there are out-of-town developments. We will all have, from our regions and constituencies, examples of there being a desire to invest in a town centre, but applications for out-of-town developments being granted and businesses in the town centre feeling that that will pull business away from them.

I think that it was in the session that we had with Leigh Sparks that we heard the suggestion that a moratorium on out-of-town developments be introduced, which would clearly prioritise town centre developments. Is that something that the Government is considering?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

John Mason is next.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

Last week, Michelle Thomson and I went to Burntisland, which has a thriving little High Street. Burntisland is next to Kirkcaldy, and we were told that businesses in Kirkcaldy want to move to Burntisland because it provides the advantages of smaller units and the small business bonus scheme. The committee has taken evidence from Love Oor Lang Toun, and we heard that Kirkcaldy has a lot of empty units, some of which are big, and that it is a challenging environment.

Part of the issue is the rates scheme. It is great for a place such as Burntisland, which has a small and thriving High Street with diverse businesses, but it is not supporting big town centres, where there are closures, mismatched units and high streets that are finding it difficult to recover, notwithstanding all the community effort that goes into that. You have talked about engaging on non-domestic rates. Is there a timescale attached to that, or does that need to be resolved?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

I cannot remember the name for it, but we have heard of situations in which the council will go in and carry out repairs to unsafe buildings. It is entitled to carry out such repairs, but it then finds it difficult to reclaim the funds, because the landlord is an absentee or because they are just not co-operating. We have heard that that could act as a disincentive to the council to take on a repair, even though the repair might be necessary. Has the Government considered that? I believe that the legislation to enable councils to do that was recently passed, but we have heard that it might not be working as effectively as it could be and that councils might be reluctant to get involved with dilapidated buildings, because of concerns that they might end up owning them or might not be able to recover their costs.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

The committee will now take evidence on the draft Registers of Scotland (Information and Access, etc) Miscellaneous Amendment Order 2022.

I welcome back to the meeting Tom Arthur, Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth, who is joined by Megan Stefaniak, who is a lawyer with the Scottish Government, and Harry Murray, who is policy lead at Registers of Scotland. I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

Good morning and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2022 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. I have received apologies from Gordon MacDonald MSP. John Mason MSP is attending as his committee substitute.

Our first item of business is the final evidence session on our town centres and retail inquiry. I welcome Tom Arthur MSP, the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth. From the Scottish Government, I welcome Catherine Brown, who is head of the retail and cities unit, and David Cowan, who is the head of the regeneration unit.

As always, I ask members and witnesses to keep their questions and answers as concise as possible. I also ask the minister to be as specific as possible in his answers and to avoid generalisations. The committee is at the stage of considering its recommendations and we want to them to be as relevant and constructive as possible.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Claire Baker

You mentioned a number of reports in your opening statement. The committee is aware that there are a number of strategies around town centres, at the moment. In the first session in the inquiry, we heard from Professor Leigh Sparks. Although I think that there is broad support for the direction of travel from the Government, there is some concern about the way in which the documents work together, whether they complement each other, and how effectively ministers and Government are working so that the strategies are delivered collectively. Will you say a bit about that? You mentioned the retail strategy, the response to town centres and the national planning framework. There is quite a lot going on, but is it working cohesively?