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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

Thank you very much.

11:00  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

I thank the minister and Catriona Laing for attending and for their evidence. I appreciate that the topics have been quite wide ranging.

We now move into private session for the rest of the meeting.

11:12 Meeting continued in private until 11:32.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is an evidence session with Richard Lochhead MSP, the Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work. The purpose of the session is to discuss with the minister the Scottish Government’s just transition plans and progress, with the intention of our doing future work on that. I welcome Richard Lochhead, who is joined by Catriona Laing, who is the deputy director of the climate change division at the Scottish Government.

It would be helpful if members and witnesses would keep their answers as short and concise as possible. I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

We all have a shared ambition of achieving the goal of a just transition. The target date is 2045, and you will know that the Climate Change Committee published a report this morning that expresses concerns about progress, although it recognises the ambition in Scotland. It says that the Scottish Government lacks a clear delivery plan and that there is no coherent explanation of how its policies can achieve targets. It also expresses concern about the ability to deliver a fair and equitable transition unless the targets are being achieved.

Although you do not have responsibility for the climate change targets, you do have responsibility for just transition. I am looking for a response to the Climate Change Committee’s comments. How do you see the challenges that it sets out and the impact that they will have on what you are trying to do in the just transition and sectoral plans? Given the significance of what has been said in the report this morning and the fact that you are looking at publishing plans in the spring, is there an intention to review those plans? What impact will that have on the planning work that is taking place?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

You referred to green jobs. There has been debate about the definition of green jobs, with the Office for National Statistics raising issues in the autumn about what defines a green job and how we measure it. It would be good to get an update on that from the Government.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

Will the reports that will come out in spring, which are for co-design, include those other priority areas? Will there be clear indicators of the activity that needs to be prioritised to make a difference?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

We will move on to questions on finance. I will bring in Michelle Thomson, and I think that Fiona Hyslop and Maggie Chapman also have questions on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

I will allow members who have already asked questions to come in again, but keep questions short. That would be helpful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

Do you have any details of the timescale? You said that you are looking at regulations.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Claire Baker

Ms Laing has said that it is an area of discussion. The Government recognises the issue and is still thinking through the solution.

Fiona Hyslop has a question.