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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 6 October 2026
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Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

Good morning, everyone. Andrea, you mentioned that you would love to talk to COSLA and the Scottish Government about the delivery of the proposal that we are discussing today. I hope that you can talk to us about it, too. I think that Tara Lillis also suggested that we ring-fence some education funding. We tried that in the past, and the employers and COSLA were not too keen on the idea.

The backdrop to my question is public service reform, which is going on in the background while all of this is being decided. The reduction in class contact time has been agreed and banked—it is there—but delivery will depend on 32 local authorities that are facing different workforce, subject shortage and geographical pressures. How do we protect professional time for teachers if local government is going to be restructured in the future? Should Scotland examine whether it would be better to organise functions such as teacher workforce planning, recruitment or deployment at a national level, at a regional level or through shared services?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

That is the kind of thing that drives me nuts. Why can we not just do it everywhere? I hope that we do not just draw the boundaries with a big Sharpie, as the 1990s Tory Government did in the Scottish Office, but instead have an ongoing conversation. Every one of you has answered by saying that it is important that we focus on service delivery. We are talking about public service reform, and it has to have outcomes at the end of the day.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

As I said in the earlier evidence session, we are hoping that we do not have the equivalent of Ian Lang up in the Scottish Office with a big marker pen, deciding boundaries and things such as that—that was the case in the previous reorganisation. It is more about service delivery itself. I used to be a councillor—that was not yesterday—and, at that time, we talked about corporate parenting, which was about how we councillors, as corporate parents, delivered that. We need to get to the stage where it is more about the delivery of the services. You were, in effect, just giving us a warning that, if we do not get it right, we will end up taking up the big marker pen.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

Exactly—it is an ongoing conversation, and the Government is also looking for ideas. To go back to Andrea Bradley’s point, that gives you the opportunity to say, “We think we can deliver by doing it this way.”

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

Most people have discussed public service reform, and we have heard various answers. Simon Cameron, you can correct me if I picked this up the wrong way—there is a good chance that I did—but, when you answered Duncan Dunlop’s question, you advocated almost no change to structures. You said that, if we are going to talk about structure, that will take money away from children and families. Is it more a case of, “We need to get this right, so it is all about service delivery, and the structure must deliver that”, or did you mean that we should keep the status quo?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

The argument would be about whether we have a national or a regional approach. The Government’s idea or discussion paper is, in effect, about regional bodies with small local authorities. I have heard discussions about splitting education between the two but having a strategic approach from the regional body, whatever that is. However, there could be an argument for having shared services, which is the panacea that we have talked about for the past 30 years but has not really happened. Without changing structure, groups of councils could strategically work together on education.

There are many options. Are there any that you, as professional bodies in the teaching profession, believe would be better? It is all about outcomes. What would give us better outcomes?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

I will finish, Presiding Officer—I promoted you, there, convener. From my perspective, the idea of regional bodies that councils feed into is a good one, because the opportunity exists to work together, especially in education, and that may be made to happen without wholesale change. That is an important part of the debate.

As Sheena Devlin rightly said, we can look at this question in other ways. I hope that we can get the Government to consider that. For example, we could have a Strathclyde region educational model, so that local councillors could be accountable, as we had with the old fire and police boards back in the day. There might be a way of doing that without totally reinventing the wheel. I am not in government any more, though, so I do not know what they are seeing behind the curtain. That is just a statement, not a question.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

I have my own ideas that are different from that model—but that is just me.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

Tell me them, Stuart.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

It is not rocket science. In the past we had Strathclyde Regional Council, Fife Regional Council and so on. Surely they used to appoint people that way, too.