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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

Can you understand the committee’s concern when we have heard something like that from an individual who is involved in the process? As we all know, every single public penny is to be accounted for, and the system seems extremely complicated. I know that you said that this is the starting point, but it seems to be an extremely complicated way to deliver the training that we need.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

My question is on the SDS side of things, minister. Basically, Damien Yeates came to the committee with the narrative that SDS is doing a fantastic job and that only he can deliver. I can understand that narrative, as he feels that his organisation is under threat. I get where he is coming from. He was forthright about it, and I liked what he had to say. However, he said that Withers was just a point of view. What do you think of someone who is part of a Government organisation coming out with such a statement—that an independent review such as the one by Withers is just a point of view?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

She couldnae wait tae tell me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

As you are aware, life is always black and white with me, minister, but that is just in football.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

Hello again, minister. You have already said that you are going to retain private providers as training suppliers. One of the questions that I asked of private providers when they were here was, “What is your cut? What are you making?” The Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation answered 40 per cent. It shocked us when we heard that. Without a thought, it just came out with “a 40 per cent cut”. It was not uncomfortable with that language.

The whole point for me is that, when we are living in a world where colleges can deliver training for only 10 to 20 per cent of the running costs, and where there is also the potential of double-dipping, where a third contractor will end up dealing with it down the line, it almost starts to smell like a cosy wee cartel for some of these companies. Surely that cannae continue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

George Adam

I was gonnae ask you about that, because I had looked at that, and, in England, it is capped at 15 per cent. Are we looking at something like that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

I have a final question for our witnesses. Is there anything else about the bill that the committee should consider that has not been mentioned already today?

I take it that the silence means no.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

Good morning. I will carry on from what Sarah Collins said. Those of us of a cynical persuasion—I would probably include myself as one—sometimes ask a question and know what the answer will be, but we do not expect someone to give you the answer so brutally. Last week, I was asking questions of the private providers, and I was told by Stephanie Lowe of the Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation that they take a 40 per cent cut—and she was quite comfortable with the language—from the whole thing.

The idea in the college model is that 80 or 90 per cent of the funding goes directly to the apprentice or student and the course. We were concerned by the idea that someone could blatantly come out and say, “40 per cent goes in our sky rocket and we do what we want,” because there is no transparency. It is not like a college—it cannot be subject to a freedom of information request—so there is no transparency.

I have a fair idea of what your opinion will be, Sarah, but what is your opinion on that approach compared to other ways in which we could possibly deliver the training?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

George Adam

Another concern I have with the situation—Colleges Scotland brought it up—is the idea of double dipping. A subcontractor could subcontract, which to me seems like madness. That is more of a point of view of mine rather than a question.

In closing, I have a question that I have asked everyone. Is there anything that you think should be part of the bill that you have not mentioned today or that you want to get on the record so that we can look at as time progresses?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

George Adam

Thank you very much.