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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 10 November 2026
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Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

Most people have discussed public service reform, and we have heard various answers. Simon Cameron, you can correct me if I picked this up the wrong way—there is a good chance that I did—but, when you answered Duncan Dunlop’s question, you advocated almost no change to structures. You said that, if we are going to talk about structure, that will take money away from children and families. Is it more a case of, “We need to get this right, so it is all about service delivery, and the structure must deliver that”, or did you mean that we should keep the status quo?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 29 September 2026

George Adam

The argument would be about whether we have a national or a regional approach. The Government’s idea or discussion paper is, in effect, about regional bodies with small local authorities. I have heard discussions about splitting education between the two but having a strategic approach from the regional body, whatever that is. However, there could be an argument for having shared services, which is the panacea that we have talked about for the past 30 years but has not really happened. Without changing structure, groups of councils could strategically work together on education.

There are many options. Are there any that you, as professional bodies in the teaching profession, believe would be better? It is all about outcomes. What would give us better outcomes?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

I will finish, Presiding Officer—I promoted you, there, convener. From my perspective, the idea of regional bodies that councils feed into is a good one, because the opportunity exists to work together, especially in education, and that may be made to happen without wholesale change. That is an important part of the debate.

As Sheena Devlin rightly said, we can look at this question in other ways. I hope that we can get the Government to consider that. For example, we could have a Strathclyde region educational model, so that local councillors could be accountable, as we had with the old fire and police boards back in the day. There might be a way of doing that without totally reinventing the wheel. I am not in government any more, though, so I do not know what they are seeing behind the curtain. That is just a statement, not a question.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

I have my own ideas that are different from that model—but that is just me.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

Tell me them, Stuart.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

It is not rocket science. In the past we had Strathclyde Regional Council, Fife Regional Council and so on. Surely they used to appoint people that way, too.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

I will make my supplementary point first, which is similar to what Sheena Devlin just described. My wife, Stacey, did teacher training in Aberdeen, and her mother’s family is from the north-east, so if she had completed her training—she did not, because she had a massive multiple sclerosis attack after that—it would have probably been easier for her to work there.

My substantive question is on what Stuart Bain said earlier about teachers in some countries staying in the area where their training happened or being appointed to a certain area. Will you give me more detail on that, Stuart? The idea seems quite interesting, but I come at it from a different angle. I live in Paisley, and there are young qualified teachers who say that they cannot get a job in Paisley. If you go, “Here’s one in Motherwell,” they will think that that is quite far away. Having commuted to Perth when I worked in the real world, I know that those things need to be done. Which of the plans in the other countries that you mentioned earlier might it be helpful for us to consider?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

Is it possible to send us those details?

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

I know the situation with councils myself, and I know that you guys have everything planned years in advance. You know what you are looking at here, too. That is partly why I am asking the question. Some kind of public sector reform has always been on the cards, so I just want to know what your ideas are.

Education and Gaelic Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 22 September 2026

George Adam

Would that be a major aspect, financially?