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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, minister and officials. As you said, minister, the committee considered the matter last year. Stakeholders on both sides raised quite a number of concerns with us. It is fair to say that, as you characterised the position, there are some almost irreconcilable differences between the different parties. On the one side, there are the pub tenants and, on the other side, there are the large breweries that own the pubs, and it is sometimes very difficult to find any consensus between the two.

You said that there had been additional consultation. From that consultation, have you been able to reach any consensus on the way forward?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I appreciate that we have the review in a year, but the code is coming into effect on 31 March, which is only three weeks from now, so we are very much in the 11th hour in that regard.

A few concerns have been raised with us by the Scottish Beer & Pub Association, which, as you know, represents landlords. One of its concerns is about the number of pub companies and tenants who are unaware of the code, which is coming into effect in just a few weeks. The association says that both the Scottish Government and the Scottish pubs code adjudicator have not been able to identify all impacted businesses, and it is unlikely that that will be done before 31 March. What is the Scottish Government doing to address the issue of people not being aware that the code is coming in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

The adjudicator is currently funded by the Scottish Government, is that right?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

However, there is no particular reason why that could not happen, is there?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Okay. Thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That was a very clear answer. Do you have any views on the criteria for establishing new commissioners, including on whether those have been properly followed in the past or whether they need to be adjusted?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

With regard to the relationship between your office and the Scottish Human Rights Commission, your office existed first and the Human Rights Commission came later. If we had already had a human rights commission, would we still have needed a children’s commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for those answers. Just so that I and other members are clear, are you telling me that you could incorporate those roles but it would require your mandate being looked at? Are you telling me that, as it stands, you do not believe that the Scottish Human Rights Commission properly represents the views of disabled or older people?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is helpful, because I think that I now understand. In effect, you are telling me that the issue is capacity rather than powers. Is that correct?