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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 28 October 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I want to ask a follow-up question about money, seeing as both of you have just mentioned that. The Scottish Government is quite clear that public service reform is about two things: better services for the public and saving money. We are very conscious of the background to the reforms, namely the potential fiscal gap of £5 billion by the end of the decade.

There is very little in the programme for government about costs or potential savings. Do you have any perspectives on that? Stephen Boyd has hinted at the experience of previous reforms, such as those involving Police Scotland and the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. What can we learn from those about what the potential savings might be from what is proposed in the programme for government?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

To sum up, we need more detail from the Scottish Government on what savings will be achieved and by when.

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I do not know who you mean, convener. [Laughter.]

You have both referenced the public sector reform strategy. This all goes back to the Christie commission, which is now 15 years in antiquity. I suppose my question is in two parts. First, are the Christie recommendations still relevant and are they the right foundation for driving public service reform? Secondly, to what extent does what is proposed in the programme for government fit with the Christie commission recommendations?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Okay. I am not sure that any of us is clear on what is proposed for local government. I am not even sure that the Government is clear on that.

I have a follow-up question, given that we have referenced the Christie commission, which is now 15 years old. We talked earlier about some of the things that Tom McCabe tried to do when he was a health minister. We had a debate on some of these issues yesterday, and Lorna Slater and I made very similar points about basic reforms that could be made in the NHS through, for example, improving the appointment system and introducing an app that would deliver a better service to patients, improve health outcomes and save money. Why does it take so long to get any of this done?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

What about my second question?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Yes. Does what was announced in the programme for government fit with the Christie commission recommendations?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Okay. Thank you. Stephen?

Public Service Reform Committee

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Claire, do you want to add anything?

Public Service Reform Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 18 June 2026

Murdo Fraser

I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland, although I am not currently practising. Beyond that, I do not believe that I have other registrable interests relevant to the committee.