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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 October 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Good morning to the minister and her colleagues.

We have taken evidence from various stakeholders over the past two weeks. We have heard from NHS boards, representatives of patient interests and dentists in the profession. Minister, in your letter to the convener of 25 May, you said:

“The policy of the Scottish Government throughout the pandemic has been to preserve and protect NHS dentistry. In my view we have successfully done this.”

I am bound to say that I do not think that the evidence that we have heard reflects that statement. For example, we heard last week from the dentists that 52 per cent of the capacity in NHS dentistry has been lost since Covid. In fact, many of the issues with NHS dentistry existed pre-Covid but were accelerated and exacerbated by the pandemic. There are many areas in Scotland now where there are no NHS dentists at all. Kinross in the convener’s constituency, which he will be familiar with, is an area where you cannot get an NHS dentist. Newburgh in Fife, in my region, is another area and there are lots of other examples.

Where people are registered with NHS dentists, they are waiting extreme periods of time to get appointments for routine work. We have also heard that, although we have new entrants coming into the profession, graduates do not want to do NHS work; they want to go into private practice, because they will have more time to spend with patients.

The picture that we have had painted for us is a very unhappy one. Would you like to revise your comment in your letter that everything is fine?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

We heard from dental practice owners that under 26s are asking for cosmetic treatments such as teeth whitening, which is putting a burden on practices. I wonder whether that is the best use of limited resources. You mentioned the commitment to extend free services to everyone. How credible is it that that will be delivered? The whole system is creaking at the seams and there is not enough money to fund what we are offering at the moment. Is it realistic to think that, within three years, we can give free NHS dental care to everyone, that that care will actually be accessible and that there will be the dentists to deliver it?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

I am sorry, convener, but can I pursue that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, gentlemen, and thank you for joining us. I will start by asking you to say briefly who you are and perhaps to explain to me the difference between the British Dental Association’s Scottish dental practice committee and the Scottish Dental Association.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

I am sorry to interrupt, but are you talking specifically about NHS practices as opposed to private practices?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

So there is not a recruitment issue in private practice.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

There are a lot more questions that I want to ask. On your last point specifically, Dr Bashir, you said that it would take more than two years to get rid of the backlog. I am interested in getting the perspectives of David McColl and Douglas Thain on that. I think that David took a much more pessimistic view on whether we will get rid of the backlog at all.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Is that the view of all of you?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

So you are not splitters.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Murdo Fraser

Witnesses should not feel that they need to repeat what other people have said, but if anyone has anything to add, please come in.