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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 28 October 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I have a brief follow-up question. You talked about increasing GP numbers, which is a Government commitment, while, in the background, there is a target for reductions. Where will the reductions come from?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Can you give me an example?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

We still have a head-count reduction target of 2.5 per cent over five years. Where will that come from?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Given that we are already in the first year of the five-year period, are we past the point at which we should already have been doing that?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I will direct my first question to David Phillips, because he neatly set us up by mentioning workforce, which is what I want to ask about. David, in your written submission on behalf of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, you say quite a bit about the Scottish Government’s public sector workforce reduction target of 0.5 per cent, how achievable that is and what the challenges are. Will you elaborate a little on that? Can the target be met? What will the challenges be?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for that comprehensive reply.

I would like to probe you a little more on that and to put my question in the context of what has already been announced. The Scottish Government has made a proposal to reduce the number of territorial health boards from 14 to two. We might expect that to lead to a reduction in head count in senior management and perhaps in duplicated middle-management roles that will be unnecessary. If the Scottish Government maintains its position of no compulsory redundancies, how will we not end up in a situation in which there will be lots of people still employed in management in the NHS whose jobs basically no longer exist, and, in order to meet the head-count reduction target, the two new boards end up not filling vacancies, for example in front-line medical staff? Is that a risk?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

We have already covered quite a lot of ground on head count, but I have two follow-up questions. Liam Davenport, I do not know whether you caught any of the earlier evidence session, but I asked the Institute for Fiscal Studies for its view on the head count reduction target—0.5 per cent per year, and 2.5 per cent cumulatively over five years—and how achievable it would be without there being a negative impact on public services. I think that it is fair to say that it was quite sceptical about whether the target was achievable, and it certainly did not think that it could be achieved without compulsory redundancies. I am interested in the PCS perspective on that.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I have a question for Dr Williams on the health service. We have an ambitious programme of health board reorganisation. You might anticipate that that would potentially lead to reduced head count at managerial level. What is the royal college’s view on how head count changes might impact on the NHS and the roles that you do?

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

That is very interesting. You have given us some food for thought.

Carmen Martinez, I appreciate that my question was very specific to your colleagues, but please answer if you want to.

Public Service Reform Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 17 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Do other members of the panel have any comments?