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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
Good morning. I want to follow up the convener’s lines of questioning by focusing on the specific issue of workforce reduction in the public sector. As you will know, the Government has set a target in that respect of 0.5 per cent a year, which goes up to 4 per cent for back-office functions.
I will start with Helen Malo. I was very interested in what you said about the relative cost of delivery through hospices compared with keeping people in hospital. What are the opportunities and risks for the third sector if the public sector reduces head count? Will that mean that, potentially, more responsibilities are pushed on to the third sector? What does that mean for the third sector and its capacity to deliver and for the flow of resource coming from the public sector?
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
Thank you.
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
I have one follow-up question, convener, if that is all right.
On the matter of how you would have to manage that, Mr Robertson, we heard evidence last week around how the policy of no compulsory redundancies from the Scottish Government would interact with the process of having to remove positions. There was a story in The Sunday Times at the weekend, according to which the City of Edinburgh Council currently has nine staff on the redeployment register, five of whom have been on it for more than two years, at a cost to the taxpayer of £447,000 per year. Those are individuals whose jobs have, in effect, disappeared and who are waiting to be redeployed somewhere else, but it is costing a substantial sum while they are waiting to be redeployed. We heard different views last week on the issue, but do you have any sense of the management of that reduction process and whether it could effectively be done with a no compulsory redundancy policy?
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
I simply quoted what you said in your submission, which I think is the point that you just made. It is about resource. If public service reform means that the third sector does more, how do we ensure that the resource comes with it?
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
You quite deliberately used the word “if”. So, the Government has not asked you to find—
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
Thank you. I should say that I do not know that the committee is clear whether the 4 per cent back office target or indeed the broader reduction target applies to local government. Could you shed any light on that, Mr Robertson, or could you perhaps answer the original question of how achievable that is and how you would manage it?
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
Good afternoon. I want to ask about staffing and head-count issues. The cabinet secretary set out a head-count reduction target of 0.5 per cent over five years. Specifically on backroom staff, we are looking at a 4 per cent reduction in the public sector. Mr McAteer, how does the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service intend to tackle that? How manageable will that be? What will be the challenges in delivering those outcomes?
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
Yes, it is. I have a supplementary for Mr Robertson on the proposals in the programme for government with regard to potentially having as few as six super-regional councils. Where do you see the Borders fitting into that? Do you see it fitting in with, say, Edinburgh and the Lothians—where there is clearly a big difference between the two, with one being a big rural area and the other a city region—or do you see yourselves fitting in with Dumfries and Galloway to reflect, perhaps, the South of Scotland Enterprise area? Or would you not want to fit in with either?
Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
Is that not happening at the moment?
Public Service Reform Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2026
Murdo Fraser
I will follow up on one point before I come to the other witnesses. You mentioned the Scottish Government core civil service. The figures that we have are that, in quarter 1 of 2019, the head count in core Scottish Government directorates was 6,700 and, in quarter 1 of 2026, it was up to 9,000, which is an increase of 2,300, or 34 per cent. That is a big increase in seven years. Do you know why that is? What are all those extra roles?