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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 6 November 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Part of the reason why I asked the question is that, last week, when we took evidence from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, it said that it had already been through a process of rationalisation and amalgamation. This is paraphrasing what we were told but, essentially, it said that there is no more scope to reduce back-room function, so any requirement to reduce head count means a cut in front-line staff.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

So the policy of no compulsory redundancy actually—

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Can I stop you there? When you say that a process is in place, what are you talking about? Are you talking about compulsory redundancy as an end point?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

I will ask about a couple of specifics. You referenced the core civil service. Some progress has been made on that but, according to figures that we have seen, the core civil service numbers are up more than 30 per cent since 2019, so there are a lot of extra people. A couple of weeks ago, The Sunday Times reported that 32 members of staff in the civil service are on a priority movers list. They are still being paid—the salaries are estimated to be between £2 million and £2.4 million—and they are waiting to be redeployed. Clearly, that comes at a cost, because people are not performing roles that are required, but they still have to be paid. If you maintain a policy of no compulsory redundancies—which, of course, is what you are doing—that will be multiplied many times across the public sector.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Does the head-count reduction target apply evenly across the public sector? Are there agencies that might be exempted?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

Mr McAteer, do you have any reflections?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I put a similar question to Kirsty Morrison.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I do not want to put words in your mouth, but you seem to be saying that, if public service reform is done correctly, an opportunity exists to enhance the third sector. We are up against a clock here, because we know that the Government is very keen to progress the reform, not least because of the fiscal challenges. What needs to happen for all that to come together, and how confident are you that it is happening already?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 24 September 2026

Murdo Fraser

I turn to Ian Bruce. TSI Scotland’s submission addressed questions about whether

“activity is simply transferred”

to the third sector

“without appropriate resources”.

What is your perspective on how public service reform is going? If there is an opportunity, do you think that the Government is ready for it?