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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 October 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have a final question for all three of you, but I am conscious of time, so please give brief answers. When a member proposes a new commissioner, the non-Government bills unit advises the member to discuss the proposal with other commissioners or bodies operating in the landscape that the proposal impacts on. Did you consult other bodies as recommended? If so, what did you discuss and how did it influence your proposal?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

You and Jeremy Balfour have both made very compelling arguments for why there should be commissioners, but that leads me to my second question. Where do you draw the line? We could have commissioners for everything. Given that you could make a strong argument for commissioners in all sorts of areas, how do you set the criteria for when a commissioner is required?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I specifically want to ask you about the criteria. How integral to your proposal, as you developed it, were the criteria that were set down by the Finance Committee in session 2?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to ask some questions on audit fees and costs, because that has come up in our evidence, including from the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman. The committee is dealing with SPCB supported bodies, which tend to have relatively small budgets, and the cost of audit is therefore a substantial burden on them. How does Audit Scotland determine the audit fees that are charged to those bodies? How do you ensure that those fees are fair and proportionate?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That was very helpful. In fact, you have pre-empted my follow-up question, which was about potentially reviewing the funding model. You seem to be suggesting that, in contemplation, you are not enthusiastic about that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Do you know how much it costs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

The third concern that the association has raised with us is the lack of statutory guidance on how the code will operate in practice. The association wanted a requirement for the guidance to be in place at least six months before the code’s introduction and it is concerned about the guest beer provision in the regulations, which it says will be very difficult for pubcos to manage or monitor. No guidance on how the adjudicator will deal with that has been issued. When do you expect any such guidance to be issued?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

I appreciate that we have the review in a year, but the code is coming into effect on 31 March, which is only three weeks from now, so we are very much in the 11th hour in that regard.

A few concerns have been raised with us by the Scottish Beer & Pub Association, which, as you know, represents landlords. One of its concerns is about the number of pub companies and tenants who are unaware of the code, which is coming into effect in just a few weeks. The association says that both the Scottish Government and the Scottish pubs code adjudicator have not been able to identify all impacted businesses, and it is unlikely that that will be done before 31 March. What is the Scottish Government doing to address the issue of people not being aware that the code is coming in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Murdo Fraser

The adjudicator is currently funded by the Scottish Government, is that right?