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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 28 October 2026
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Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to follow up on some of the questions that have been asked about community wealth building and its impact. One concern that I have heard expressed by small and medium-sized businesses over many years is that they cannot get what they view to be a fair share of local contracts. In fact, this week, I received communication from a small construction business in Fife saying that it is very frustrated because it never wins any contracts from the council, which is an issue that I will pursue.

When we were dealing with what is now the Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Act 2026, in the previous parliamentary session, I lodged amendments at stage 2 to require all public bodies to set a target for procurement with local businesses. Lorna Slater, who was also on the Economy and Fair Work Committee, very helpfully supported my amendment, which was then agreed to by the committee and became part of the bill. That provision is helpful, but my concern is how it interrelates with the public service reform agenda. If we are moving from 32 local authorities to potentially as few as six regional authorities, what does that mean for the ability of small and medium-sized businesses to access such contracts? For example, if Fife ends up being put in with Edinburgh and the Lothians or with Tayside and Stirling, will Fife businesses not have even less chance of accessing those contracts, because they will be part of a much bigger regional authority area? I am interested to get your thoughts on that.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

The crucial point that you made is that we simply do not know at the moment and need to wait and see, first, what structure local government will end up with and, secondly, to what extent the Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Act 2026 will apply.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Delivering Public Service Reform

Meeting date: 8 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for the answer, but my question is specifically about the target under the Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Act 2026.

A very small council such as Clackmannanshire Council might say, “We will set a target that 25 per cent of our contracts must go locally.” Therefore, quite a small pool of businesses in Clackmannanshire would say, “That’s great—that’s an opportunity for me.” If Clackmannanshire is swept into a much bigger regional area, a Clackmannanshire business might have to suddenly compete for business with people in Stirling, Dunfermline, Perth or Falkirk. Such businesses will inevitably find it tougher.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

But you have just said that there is compulsory redundancy in certain circumstances.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

My final question goes back to my first question. We have a budget coming up, and the Deputy First Minister has said that you are not currently going in the right direction. How will we tell, from what is in the budget when we see it, whether you are on track?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

On the voluntary severance scheme, last week, we heard from David Robertson, chief executive of Scottish Borders Council. He said that, if the council has to lose people, it can do so through voluntary severance, but that requires a cash injection up front. Will that feature in the budget for the coming year?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, cabinet secretary. I am keen to follow up some of the convener’s questions around workforce. To conceptualise that, I noticed yesterday that when the Deputy First Minister was in front of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, she said that plans to cut the size of the public sector were “off course” and that the issue was at the “forefront” of discussions that she was having with you

“because we are not going in the right direction currently and we need to reset some of that work.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 30 September 2026; c 27.]

That is quite alarming, is it not? Are you feeling the wrath of the Deputy First Minister? [Laughter.]

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

So some areas could be in for bigger targets and bigger reductions.

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

Okay. I am sorry that I interrupted you. I am interested in the extent to which the issue of having people on a redeployment list will be reflected right across the public sector. Given that the committee is interested, particularly right now, in budget, do you have any sense of what the cost will be, across the public sector, of maintaining people in positions that have effectively become redundant while they are waiting to be redeployed?

Public Service Reform Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 1 October 2026

Murdo Fraser

But you would, I presume, agree with the Deputy First Minister that, right now, the situation is not on track? Do you accept that?