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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Adapting to the Impacts of Climate Change

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning. Sticking with the theme of infrastructure investment, there is anxiety about the cost of investment that is needed to meet our climate change targets. You heard earlier about the cost of things such as heat pumps and so on. There is a suggestion that we should just ditch the 2045 and 2050 net zero targets but still try to make some progress in tackling climate change.

Is it fair to say that there is a direct correlation between the degree of global warming or climate change and the amount of investment that we must make in adaptation as a result? If so, to what extent do you think that there is the risk that, if we ditch those national targets, we will simply push the costs on to investment in climate adaptation, which we will need to do more of?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Adapting to the Impacts of Climate Change

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Matheson

So, delaying net zero involves a cost from an adaptation perspective, as investment would have to go into infrastructure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Adapting to the Impacts of Climate Change

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Matheson

As you say, there is a need to invest in infrastructure to meet the changes in our climate that we are experiencing. Given the capital investment profile of the Scottish and UK Governments and their infrastructure investment planning, do you see the scale of investment that is necessary to ensure that we have the right infrastructure in place to deal with the climate challenges that we face?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Adapting to the Impacts of Climate Change

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Matheson

It feels to me that, by and large, a lot of infrastructure investment that takes place to deal with some of these challenges happens because of incidents occurring—we see a flood, so we put in flood-mitigation measures to deal with it.

You mentioned that we do not track that type of investment. The CCC gives independent advice to the Scottish and UK Governments. Are you able to quantify exactly how much either of those Governments is spending on climate adaptation specifically?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Adapting to the Impacts of Climate Change

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Matheson

You mentioned the 2021 adaptation risk report and the figure of £5 billion to £10 billion. Is that an annual figure or is that figure over a five-year period, which is a period that a lot of capital investment programmes use?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Matheson

It is for Iain Batho. If an employee in a company acted negligently and outwith the company’s procedures and that resulted in an act that caused serious or significant environmental harm, who would be prosecuted in that instance? Would it be the company or the individual who had acted outwith the company’s procedures in a way that resulted in the harm being caused?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Matheson

Can I pick up on the point about the overlap in law that would exist if the bill was passed? I am interested from a prosecutorial point of view. Obviously, it is not uncommon for there to be areas of criminal law that cross over one another. Does that present any challenges for you as a prosecutor in deciding which route to follow to take forward a prosecution?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Matheson

If the bill was framed in such a way and an act was carried out by a member of staff operating outwith the company’s procedures and where senior management knew nothing about what they were doing, I am struggling to understand how you would then prosecute.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Matheson

Is the bill is clear enough on harm that is caused by a course of conduct that impacts over a period time? The bill also covers one-off incidents, but does it give sufficient clarity on incidents that occur over time that could be considered ecocide? Does the bill give sufficient definition on that or is there need for further clarity in that area? I will give Iain Batho a rest and put that question to Rachael Weir.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Matheson

Good morning—just—or good evening, in Rachel Killean’s case. I want to pick up on the issue about the experience in France, and potentially in other parts of the EU, where an ecocide law has been introduced. France moved from an administrative liability process for dealing with environmental crime to a criminal liability scheme. That was one of the main changes resulting from the introduction of the ecocide law—is that correct?