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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 March 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

That would be helpful; thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Sticking with energy from waste, the draft plan assumes that those emissions will peak this year. From what I can see in the plan, that appears to be based on some underlying assumptions, including that the landfill ban would have already come into force and that no new sites will come online. What levers do you have to ensure that energy-from-waste emissions will not increase this year?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

So, those places are full and cannot take the materials, even if they wanted to enter a contract with a business.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

What was the rationale behind ending funding for Wave Energy Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

WES has told us that, given that the funding ends next month, it has to start giving people statutory notice. I am not sure what the timescale is for the conclusion of the discussions with Wave Energy Scotland, but it would appear that, if that is not resolved in the very near future, it will be lost. Cabinet secretary, are you saying that funding in the next financial year is contingent on having a business case and a business plan that satisfy you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Good morning. In some of the evidence that we have received, witnesses have highlighted that the headline figures on emissions, costs, benefits and so on in the draft plan do not give sufficient detail. Can you explain how the Government arrived at those figures? Did you use disaggregated figures to arrive at what appears to be an average in your emissions figures?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

It is encouraging to hear that there has been a lot of cross-directorate working in drawing together the data and in modelling how that will look in different areas.

In evidence, witnesses have raised concerns about the presentation of information in the draft plan. I will give you a flavour of that. Lloyd Austin from Stop Climate Chaos Scotland said:

“the draft plan unfortunately lacks the details and the transparency that will allow us to reach any conclusion. We cannot tell how the modelling has been done, how the analysis has led to the predicted emissions reductions and so on.”

Dr Mark Winskel from the University of Edinburgh and the UK Energy Research Centre said:

“I share many of the concerns about the way in which the plan has been presented and the fact that the evidence trail is not really there when it comes to the connection between the analysis, the policy costs, the overall policy package and the effort across different sectors.”—[Official Report, Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, 16 December 2025; c 13, 11.]

Those are direct quotes from a couple of our witnesses. Given that you have clearly used disaggregated data to support the modelling that you have undertaken to come to the emission figures in the plan, will you publish the details of that modelling in order to provide the transparency that some witnesses have said is lacking?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

It certainly adds if you can see the workings. I must confess, I find that argument quite bizarre—nobody else does it, so we are not doing it. It is not a case of, “Well, we don’t do it”; it is a case of whether you should do it. That is the point, so I find that quite a bizarre approach.

Let me move on—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

I have to say that I do not think that many members of the public will read the draft climate change plan at all, never mind the actual data.

The cabinet secretary provided a good illustration when she mentioned health. A modelling process will have been used to arrive at the health statistics, as will disaggregated data, and that is the sort of data that is being asked for with regard to how you have arrived at some of the headline figures in the draft climate change plan. That is what we are looking for—the disaggregated data and the modelling used to give substance to those figures.

Another point that has been raised with the committee is the level of detail in the draft plan. Some of the sectoral emission levels have been set out in the plan on a policy basis, under headings such as “Business and Industrial Process”, and then there are other areas, such as buildings, where there is a higher level of reporting. What is the thinking behind having broader areas such as business and industry rather than areas that are more contained, such as buildings? How do you intend to create the right type of oversight on those different levels of policy?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Michael Matheson

Okay. That makes sense. You will want to take specific aspects into account for stuff to do with housing within a Scottish dynamic.

That brings me to the question of oversight of the figures for the targets. Do you have a similar oversight mechanism to see what progress has been made in meeting the emissions reduction levels in the different sectors? You will be using a slightly different analytical approach to arrive at the figures for them. What is the oversight mechanism to ensure that those sectors are making progress? Is that different, given the different nature of the analytical process that you have used?